One last attempt at perspective in the retiring-numbers discussion

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  1. julius

    julius Living on the air in Cincinnati... Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I like how Dwights point is counter to Clownzanos (even if I somewhat agree with Clownzanos point). In the big picture, who cares?

    There are still what, 91 #'s that can be used? (#1 has been used and I doubt #77 would be be used either way). Big deal.
     
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    What was wrong with what he said?

    Last week Canzano was bitching about the fans being too easy in retiring numbers, he went on a two rant on his radio show over it and even started complaining about Lillard. Finally Jaynes takes a small break from his grumpy old man act and says what he and Canzano don't realize, it ain't that big of a deal. If it makes the fans happy what's the problem?
     
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    Again, there is no set-in-stone rule for retiring numbers. Nobody in the organization--even the owner--is required to follow in the footsteps of a poor choice.
     
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    There is a standard and Sly mentioned it in a previous post. It makes the fans happy.
     
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    No action makes all fans happy, so that "standard" is subjective and open to interpretation. Regardless, the organization is still not mandated to hold to a standard of "make the fans happy", so the argument is irrelevant.

    Nobody disagrees that the bar for number retirement has historically been too low. However, you seem to be the only one who thinks that the Blazers are not permitted to raise it. Yes, it's your opinion, but it's wrong.
     
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    Yes, you are making an irrelevant argument. I'll agree with that.
     
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    Maybe it's not a low standard, maybe we're just more appreciative of the players that played here. Maybe it's that same "low standard" is why so many former players have decided to call Portland home when their career is over. Maybe it's that same "low standard" is why year in and year out we're one of the most loudest arenas, one of the most passionate fan bases.
     
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    It doesn't make all the fans happy. There are some fans, such as myself, who think it's ridiculous that we have so many retired numbers.
     
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    That argument doesn't hold water because most of the retired numbers are from that championship team, no? That's just one year out of decades of basketball. I don't think retiring those numbers has anything to do with a low standard or if the players choose to stay here after retirement.
     
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    It's safe to say that the last 3 players who had their #'s retired, if my memory is right, was done to appease the fan base.

    Gross, Porter and Hollins, right? Totally done to appease fans.
     
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    Gross and Porter share the same number, right?
     
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    si.
     
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    Sure. You aren't going to make everyone happy. In general, it is intended as a celebration and let the fans join the experience. The actual number retirement makes some fans happy (in the long term), while the celebration makes some fans happy (in the short term). I personally don't care about most of the jersey number retirements to date. Drexler and Porter are the exceptions. I was quite happy their numbers were retired and put into the rafters.
     
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    This. You could also make a case for TP, but Sheed also accomplished quite a bit in it as well as the original #30--Bobby Gross.
     
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    We're a unique, passionate fan base. That is the only standard that we have set.
     
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    I know it was credited to Dr. Jack, but I always liked the idea of retiring #77 to celebrate the championship.
     
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    Yes, but does that have anything to do with retiring numbers? I agree that we should show appreciation to the players, but permanently retiring a number is not the best way unless that player was a once-in-a-generation talent. Guys like Walton and Drexler meet the requirement, and Roy would have as well if he would have stayed healthy, but I don't call Luke a once-in-a-generation.
     
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    That's what I was thinking. They can't complain after they die or become paralyzed in bed long-term. Wait till then.

    This is why uniforms became baggier 20 years ago. No one wants to see 3-digit numbers on skinny players.
     
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    Perhaps you are correct Bert. Petrie was the most skilled basketball play to wear a Blazer uniform.
    No way to prove it with stats but I do believe he was the best shooter to wear the blaze and possible in the NBA.

    He dominated the NBA one on one contest so completely, that no NBA player wanted to compete again. That was the end of that competition. Like Clyde Frasier said, "No, I don't need to be humiliated again!".
     
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    Nobody died, at least. I think some people are more wrapped up in nonsense like who gets a number retired than they are about things that actually matter.

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