Response to Merkley's support letter for the Minimum wage.

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  1. Denny Crane

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    I think you can't afford it. It takes a decent sized nation to make one.
     
  2. barfo

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    Who said I was going to make it? Besides, you are ignoring the point. Change it to some sort of biological agent if you like.

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  3. Denny Crane

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    You're the one trying to prove something.

    Your statements about the constitution aren't true.
     
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    Let's recap.

    MarAzul said that minimum wage wasn't in the constitution, and therefore Congress making laws about it was invalid.
    I said, what about prohibiting me from having nukes? That ain't in the constitution either.
    Now you say my 'statements aren't true'.

    So are you saying the constitution does mention nukes? Or that congress should not be permitted to regulate those things, since they aren't in the constitution? Is that your position? If not, maybe you could be a little more clear about what it is you are trying to say.

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  5. MarAzul

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    It's really rather simple, if you want congress to take on new responsibilities then an amendment is appropriate to add the authority. Yes it is heavy, requires a super majority of in congress and of the States as it should. I imagine you could assume Nuclear Weapons Control would pass until it did, but I don't think ObamaCare would ever make it. The federal minimum wage would likely fail also
    since many state do their own. Having a federal minimum wage just gives low functioning politician like Merkley something to crow about.
     
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  6. Denny Crane

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    2/3 of the constitution talks about the military role of the government. If you consider a nuke to be a military weapon, then the constitution seems to cover the government funding a manhattan project or even bio weapons.

    I don't find anything in the constitution that allows the government to regulate contracts between people.
     
  7. barfo

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    I wasn't talking about the government having those things. I was talking about the government prohibiting me from having them.

    So it's ok if I hire a hit man to kill you?

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    Sure, that's theory the way the system works. I don't argue with that. However, in reality, it's a different story.
    You can say it shouldn't be that way, but it's as pointless as saying that teenagers shouldn't have sex.

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  9. MarAzul

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    I guess you have hit upon our differences. I am not about to worry to much about the teenagers, but I sure will not vote for weak voices like Merkley who ignore the Constitution.
    I don't mind if you join me.
     
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    If you want attention from a U.S. Senator, you need to avoid 9 errors in usage, grammar, or spelling, not including your 2 spelling errors inside your 9th boldfaced error.

    It marks you, in Washington, D.C. as well as on this board, as a moron. I'm not saying that you're a moron, just that you write like one.
     
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    Silly barfo. I don't see the government regulating hit men either.
     
  12. MarAzul

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    Thank you sir, for your suggested improvements. I shall add them to my bucket list of requested improvements to be add in the after life. Your attention to detail is marvelous, where as I learned to type and read very fast, I never could see and error. It always says what I think.

    However, I do hope the Senator can grasp the idea of the importance in representing the people of Oregon with the Constitution as his guide. I do think we would all benefit from the improved representation, much more than I alone would from improved writing skills.
     
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    While there is evidence on each side as to the effects of a raise in the minimum wage, there is one thing upon which a significant majority of economists agree: a raise in the minimum wage is a wealth transfer, just not the way one would assume. It's not a wealth transfer from the wealthy to the poor, but rather from one segment of the poor to another. In other words, fewer people make more money. Those that lose their minimum wage jobs then either go on public assistance or increase their level of public assistance.

    The above dynamic creates a secondary two-pronged effect. First, any increased minimum wage hiring will result in higher prices for consumer. Those increased prices act as a regressive tax and have an inflationary impact. Second, the increased public assistance result in higher government expenditures which are either paid for by increased public debt or increased taxes. Higher taxes tend to surpress economic growth and/or create inflationary pressure.

    In either case, you end up a little worse than where you were before.

    In fact, one could make the argument that by raising the minimum wage you limit the opportunities of workers to enter the workforce and gain experience to move on from minimum-wage jobs.

    We all want people to have a "living wage". However, the idea that minimum wage jobs are meant to be a living wage is bunk. Either you work two of these jobs, which isn't unreasonable to ask, or you train yourself to obtain a higher paying job.
     
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    If you ever need help writing your application essay for a job, fishing license, or Ivy League college, I'm at your disposal. I'd also be happy to rewrite your political posts.
     
  15. MarAzul

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    Oh I suspect I am beyond help, even from a grand expert such as yourself. After help from Oregon ST, Cal, Cal Tech, MIT, Scripps and Cal Davis, I was left to muddle along through a career, never rising above System Architect and Sr. International Consultant. In retirement I have been getting by with an occasional gig as a Naval Architect. But I do appreciate your concern and offer of assistance. I suppose I should confess that I always hired the help I needed so as not to allow my short comings to become too much of a hindrance.

    I do hope you are not backing out of the prior offer you were going to do for me. That offer was much more interesting.
     
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    Roughly 85 % of all minimum wage jobs are at large corporations. Nearly all successful small and midsized businesses pay excellent wages and benefits on a par with union wages and perks.
     
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    I believe the relevant amendment you somehow forgot is the 13th Amendment.
     
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    I have no problem with a federal minimum wage so long as it's reasonable.
     
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    "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

    A contract between two parties is none of the categories mentioned above.
     

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