Response to Merkley's support letter for the Minimum wage.

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  1. MarAzul

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    I do congress would do well to remain within the business of congress as defined in the constitution.

    Congress in recent years has totally ignored the constitution, my favorite example is the ban on the most inexpensive 100 watt heater on the market, the 100 watt light bulb.
    It was used for a plethora of task beside providing light. The ingenious market place has corrected the error by providing 92 watt bulbs, but I think you can see the point.

    Now healthcare mucking around has really been over the top.
     
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    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Seems somewhat constitutional to me.
     
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    If you delete the words "the general" then you have what certain people think it means.
     
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    Yes, many people take the preamble to mean any thing they need it to mean as far as the business of congress is concerned. If that were the case then all thing in article one section eight are redundant, The 10th amendment
    would be redundant also if the preamble was authorization for every hearts desire. I don't believe that was the intent nor is that a good approach, but it is the progressive reading..
     
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    Having a single currency and a postal system and those things actually enumerated are "providing for the general welfare."
     
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    People use the words used as a reason to have a constitution as actually being part of it?

    That would be like writing a cookbook and having an author describe that he wrote a cookbook because he loves chocolate.Then in a section on mashed potatoes your wife makes them with chocolate syrup. When you bitch that there isn't chocolate syrup in the recipe she says the author said he likes chocolate in the beginning. That is pretty fucking dumb.
     
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    ugh! Taste like shit too.
     
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    Mmmmm?? Chocolate tatoes!
     
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    Sounds like you want a plantation, not a ranch.
     
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    I like Merkley. He is a hard worker who has Oregon interests at heart.
     
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    I've had a couple interactions with Merkley, and I think he's a moron. :dunno:
     
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    I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

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    Interesting. I have had a lot of personally dealing with him and he comes across as anything but a moron to me. I could understand that statement if you go by looks :) . . . but to me he has shown a good understanding of the topics we discussed and conveyed his thoughts well.

    It takes an interesting personality to get involved in politics. I will break it down to silver spoon babies who want power and the hard working person who enjoys and has a passion for public service . . . (certainly not for the pay). While Merkley didn't grow up poor, i put him in the second category.

    Too bad that was your impression of him . . . it was way off.
     
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    I am not sure if he read the Constitution, he didn't understand what it meant for him or he just chooses to ignore it. What ever, he often appears to take positions without regard to the constitution. Voting for a ban on 100 watt light bulb has to be the classic test. Yes he did!
     
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    Well he a lawyer by trade so he probably reads the constitution . . . he just interprets it differently than you do.

    I don't study the constitution but I feel confident that if minimum wage was unconstitutional, someone or group would have challenged it by now. The fact is minimum wage has been in this country for a long time because it is in fact constitutional and will pass any constitutional challenge in the court of law. But whatever, if you want to believe it's unconstitutional, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

    Don't know much about the issues involved with 100 watt bulbs . . . but I do love my 100 watt light bulbs so bummer if they get banned.

    Merkley is clearly a democrat and votes that way. I get if people disagree with his voting or think his votes are moronic, but to say he is a moron is really not an accurate description of Merkley. He is an intelligent well spoken person, just very much on the left.
     
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    Merkley is probably like Obama both studied the Constitution and concluded the everything after the preamble is redundant.
     
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    Yea . . . probably

    :cheers:
     
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    The Minimum Wage law was taken to the supreme court in 1941. The court ruled unanimously that the commerce clause permitted the federal government to regulate wages so one state might not have an advantage over another due to lower wages.

    Of course, after being elected 4 times, FDR got to appoint all the justices for a lot of years.

    The courts weren't so much in favor of his views of the constitution in the 1930s. The court routinely struck down the New Deal programs through 1935 and 1936.

    FDR tried to stack the supreme court in his favor by increasing the size of the court so he could appoint justices who'd violate the constitution on his behalf. That was rejected by congress (whew!), but by 1937, he had appointed 8 of the 9 justices and they did violate the constitution on his behalf.
     
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