Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! I didn't realize how unique his MVPs were.This is for his 04/05 MVP<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>In 2005, Nash slightly edged Shaquille O'Neal of the Miami Heat to win the NBA MVP award. [6] Nash became one of the most distinctive players ever to win the award, as the first Canadian and the third foreign-born player (after Hakeem Olajuwon & Tim Duncan) to earn the honor. Along with Allen Iverson, he is one of only two players under 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) to win the award in the last four decades. He is the first MVP who did not lead his team in scoring since Dave Cowens in 1972-73. (Coincidentally, the 2005 runner-up, Shaquille O'Neal, did not lead his team in scoring either). He had the third-lowest all-time scoring average for an MVP, ahead of only Wes Unseld (13.8 in 1969) and Bill Russell (14.1 in 1965). Nash is just the fourth point guard ever to be named MVP ? along with Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson, and Bob Cousy ? and only the sixth guard (Michael Jordan and Allen Iverson being the others). He is also the first white player to win the award since Larry Bird in 1985-86. Until the 2005-06 NBA season, Magic Johnson was the only point guard in NBA history to win multiple Most Valuable Player awards.</div>from wikipediaSo cliff notes version is:1st ever Canadian MVP3rd ever foreign born MVP2nd player to win MVP in last 4 decades under 6'6"1st MVP to not lead team in scoring since 72-733rd lowest scoring average ever for an MVP4th ever PG to be named MVP with Magic, Oscar Rob, and Cousy, good company6th guard to be named MVP, Jordan and AI were the other 21st white player to win MVP since 85-862nd PG to ever win multiple MVPsIn 05/06 he was the 4th player EVER to shoot over 50% FG, 40% 3pt and 90% FT, joining Bird, Miller, and Mark Price
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! I love Nash and his MVPs. He broke the stereotypical model of the MVP of the past 10+ years. When you think about MVP you usually think of the highest scoring player in the league...I'm glad Nash has won back to back.BTW, according to your sig, I'm sad to say God has killed thousands of puppies because of me
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ElMaster @ Oct 29 2006, 07:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I love Nash and his MVPs. He broke the stereotypical model of the MVP of the past 10+ years. When you think about MVP you usually think of the highest scoring player in the league...I'm glad Nash has won back to back.BTW, according to your sig, I'm sad to say God has killed thousands of puppies because of me </div>I wonder what CB4's death toll looks like?
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! Nash is awesome, and reading this makes him even more awesome in my eyes.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! I don't know what it is...in this day and age it seems any pass first PG that puts up 18/8 is an MVP candidate, when 15 years ago they were never even considered. I don't care that Nash was foreign or that he didn't score a lot of points and got an MVP.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! If the great players that Stockton went up against played now then Nash wouldn't have any either but thinking about what MVP really means and how good he was the last two seasons I do think he deserved....1 MVP, that first year. But I'll take two.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! The voters are stupid. Nash should've won the 1st by a landslide. He took a lottery team to the best record in the NBA, and the Western Conference Finals. Add that to the fact that it was the 3rd best turnaround record EVER, and how do you top that? You don't.Shaq just turned a 2nd round team into an ECF team.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! He is the most valuable player to his team by and longshot and his team is one of the best in the league. Simple as that to all you haters.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! Nash didn't deserve his first mvp. Shaq did. When the heat traded for shaq, they traded 3 of their best players in Odom/Butler/Grant. The suns didn't trade anyone for nash. The heat didn't add anyone worth mentioning. The Suns added Q-rich (who in that clown system looked like an mvp) and a healthy Amare stoudemire. The heat were going to win the championship had it not been because all of their starters were injured. The suns lost in 5. Shaq was the mvp, he had the bigger impact if you look closely into it.And I'm not going into how he stole the mvp of kobe this season
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! Even with their additions the Suns were not expected to make the playoffs by SI or else were supposed to be a very low seed. Q did nothing but hurt the team in the playoffs and Joe Johnson missed seven games. 2 years ago the Suns couldn't win a game and lost to some average teams, like the Wizards, without Nash. He's the reason they won and got so far in the playoffs. And that Spurs team would've dominated the Heat. Yes a system that allows players to play at their full potential is a "clown system." He didn't steal anything from Kobe. Wasn't Kobe 4th in the voting? :happy0144:
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Oct 29 2006, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash didn't deserve his first mvp. Shaq did. When the heat traded for shaq, they traded 3 of their best players in Odom/Butler/Grant. The suns didn't trade anyone for nash. The heat didn't add anyone worth mentioning. The Suns added Q-rich (who in that clown system looked like an mvp) and a healthy Amare stoudemire. The heat were going to win the championship had it not been because all of their starters were injured. The suns lost in 5. Shaq was the mvp, he had the bigger impact if you look closely into it.And I'm not going into how he stole the mvp of kobe this season </div>Well any team that calls Brian Grant one of their 3 best players has problems. That's why Nash deserves the MVP, he made even Q Rich look great. You just help OUR cause for saying how great he is. The Heat were not going to win any championship, maybe the Finals, but no further.Since you've looked closely into it, tell me how shaq had a bigger impact.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! Well no-one knew you guys were going to implement the Clown system. This clown system the suns run makes players look better then really are. It hides players weaknesses in the offense and when they leave the suns it's exposed. The whole offense is a joke and I don't take anything seriously from itedit: STS, just look closely into it. The heat lose 3 core players. Their best player in fact. The suns traded no-one for nash. Amare stoudemire was injured the season before. The heat had no-one who was coming off a lay off. I don't take anything seriously from the suns team. Everything is an illusion in that team.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Oct 29 2006, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well no-one knew you guys were going to implement the Clown system. This clown system the suns run makes players look better then really are. It hides players weaknesses in the offense and when they leave the suns it's exposed. The whole offense is a joke and I don't take anything seriously from itedit: STS, just look closely into it. The heat lose 3 core players. Their best player in fact. The suns traded no-one for nash. Amare stoudemire was injured the season before. The heat had no-one who was coming off a lay off. I don't take anything seriously from the suns team. Everything is an illusion in that team.</div>lol, the offense is a joke because it's the best in the league? I think you're the clown here. Amare came off an injury but it's not like he was expected to be a bad player. Everyone knew what the Suns had and people's expectations for them were still low. Brian Grant was not a core player, he's a guy that should have retired much earlier and everyone knew that the Heat got a great deal out of the trade. No one was saying, oh no they lost Caron and Odom, now they are going to be worse this season. NO, everyone expected Shaq to be great and the Heat's expectations for that season were much higher than the Suns. Who cares if they lost Odom? Shaq was the most dominant player at that time and was expected to take them far.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! So you judge the mvp because of expectactions? Well then by your standards kobe is the mvp. Lakers were expected to fall in the lottery.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Oct 29 2006, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well no-one knew you guys were going to implement the Clown system. This clown system the suns run makes players look better then really are. It hides players weaknesses in the offense and when they leave the suns it's exposed. The whole offense is a joke and I don't take anything seriously from itedit: STS, just look closely into it. The heat lose 3 core players. Their best player in fact. The suns traded no-one for nash. Amare stoudemire was injured the season before. The heat had no-one who was coming off a lay off. I don't take anything seriously from the suns team. Everything is an illusion in that team.</div>Yeah, so what if it makes players look better than they are, that means it's a good system and works because it has the right players. Try and run our system with Smush and whatever other scrubs you guys have, it won't work. The Triangle Offense as it's called is a joke, and I don't take anything at all from it.The Heat only lost 3 core players because Shaq is so overpaid. Nash wins MVP because he is a TEAM PLAYER. Shaq says "gimme 20 mil a year". The Suns lost money by signing Nash. Nobody knew how good he'd be, they said we overpaid for him. The Heat could've traded Brian Grant alone if the salaries had matched. The Fakers were DESPERATE to ditch shaq and suck mr derp's dick.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Oct 29 2006, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So you judge the mvp because of expectactions? Well then by your standards kobe is the mvp. Lakers were expected to fall in the lottery.</div>Well expectations are a part of it. When your team is supposed to be average or below average and you are the main reason why they have the best record in the NBA then he does deserve it. Odom and Butler were losses but when they got the most dominating big man of this era they were supposed to do well and they really didn't get that much better. Nash orchestrated one of the biggest turn-arounds in history and was a big reason why the Suns scored so many points and were able to win all those games. Joe Johnson was a 17% better 3-point shooter than a year before and 12% better than this year with Nash passing to him. The whole team played better with Nash and they couldn't even beat some very average teams without him. I know he wasn't the sexy pick as an MVP but 15.5 points off 50% shooting(great for a guard!) and 11.5 assists and how VALUABLE he was to the team proved that he deserved it. Without him they couldn't win. Sure Amare was very important but they beat a very good Nuggets team(when they just got George Karl and were on that winning streak) without Amare because of Nash. It wasn't scrubs like Steven Hunter and Jake Voskuhl who won that game for us. He didn't put up a lot of points like most MVP winners but he shot at better than 50% and when he had to he did score a lot of points. He definitely deserved it two years ago.I'll agree with anyone though who says he didn't deserve it last year even though he played even better.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! Kobe deserved the MVP last season. That s it. Team was lottery bound, the Suns have 3 players in the top 10 league wide -amare was injurde but they still had Marion. Kobe had no-one and was expected to be in the lotttery, the suns were expected to contend. Nuff said.Please don't be blind and biased. Kobe did deserve that MVP, just like Nash deserved the one before.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Oct 29 2006, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe deserved the MVP last season. That s it. Team was lottery bound, the Suns have 3 players in the top 10 league wide -amare was injurde but they still had Marion. Kobe had no-one and was expected to be in the lotttery, the suns were expected to contend. Nuff said.Please don't be blind and biased. Kobe did deserve that MVP, just like Nash deserved the one before.</div>I'm saying Nash deserved the one before so you agreed with me. I think there were better candidates for MVP last year though, Kobe being one of them.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! Respect! It is impressive that a Suns fan (and a raja fan) can admit Kobe was a better candidate than Nash. RESPECT.
Re: Hate Nash all you want, but dang! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Oct 29 2006, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The voters are stupid. Nash should've won the 1st by a landslide. He took a lottery team to the best record in the NBA, and the Western Conference Finals. Add that to the fact that it was the 3rd best turnaround record EVER, and how do you top that? You don't.Shaq just turned a 2nd round team into an ECF team.</div>Dude look at their past teams as well. The Lakers went from a Finals team to the lottery. Dallas arguably got better even while losing Nash to free agency while getting NOTHING in return. Yeah how valuable. The Lakers also got players in return for Shaq. Phoenix didn't have to give up anyone for Nash. Both players though turned their teams into championship contenders. I don't care what anyone says or who won the official award. Shaq was the 04-05 MVP. Nothing against Nash, but I have a problem giving the MVP to a player who only plays good on one side of the floor.
