This. Sather has become an incompetent hoarder. He holds on to tools like Boyle and Stralman when he knows they will leave, don't fit this team and he could at least get some picks or a prospect for them as a rental. Total jackass. He knew he had Miller who is much more talented than Boyle ready to take his place. Miller could have played the rest of this year on the 4th line. Yet, he holds onto the lumbering buffoon. He knew he could have called McIlrath up, or Allen, limited their minutes and started to break them into the NHL and dealt Stralman. Nope. He held onto the guy who will leave for nothing. I've defended Sather on these boards. He's incompetent now. Time for him to step aside and let somebody else f this team up. At least it will be a new moron.
Sather's been a disappointment for far too long, but with the mediocre Eastern Conference outside of PIT/BOS i think this team is close to being a legit contender. I expected some adjustment period for MSL, after all he's basically played in TB all of his career, but 2pts and 0 goals in 7gms is killing us. Next year i want to see a 1st line center and a more physical 4th line center brought in. Not a buyer on Brassard and Stepan is playing out of position. Looking at the UFA list Stastny is the only real choice as a top center, and one of Goc/Ott would fit in nice on the 4th line. Give Miller the 3rd line job.
Dis ... St. Louis has been very good everywhere he's played. He comes to New York, and is very average (maybe a little better than that). At what point do we question the dead weight around him? And if we're going to question the dead weight around him, do we have to question the dead weight around Nash, and Stepan as well?
wow these people, first of all if you honestly thought that we were going to win a stanley cup prior to the season you are not a realistic person, lets face it, first year new coach first year new system NOBODY WINS STANLEY CUPS THERE FIRST YEAR COACH, not scotty bowman, not julian, nobody. it takes time for a coach to implement a system get his players to play his system and execute that to win a cup, if you thought the rangers were going to win a cup this year, with teams like boston and pitts already executing there style at high level your delusional and dont know much about hockey. Its going to take AV a little while and a couple off seasons to do some damage. be patient jesus christ some fans have such high expectations and just think its easy to win a stanley cup. a lot of things have to go right, and dont get me wrong this season has been tough to watch but i feel its been a step up from watching torts here, PP a lot better, we get scoring chances (we need to finish better IMO), and we are solid defensively. we have a tough time matching up to boston and pitts but what can do you, THERE team is better and have 4 lines that can score
i love how people say trade this guy trade that guy wtf sather your stupid, this isn't nhl 14, nobody wants stalman or boyle or dorsett, and if they do we are getting garbage in return, who the fuck is going to replace boyle at the trade deadline and do better then him, boyle plays the PK wins faceoffs tries to create 4th line chances, NOBODY is going to trade for boyle and give something good to replace what he does. they got to learn system learn teamates etc etc AT the trade deadline, its one thing to trade in the off season and have training camp to start fresh but we are going to get a 4th liner for 4th liner trade and chances are that 4th liner isn't going to be better then boyle. delusional people
Come on now Sleeps wake up! Scotty Bowman did win the Cup his first year coaching the Pens in 1992 after Bob Johnson was diagnosed with cancer. Darryl Sutter won the Cup his first year with L.A. in '12 and Dan Bylsma in '09 his first year with the Pens. The team that wins the President's Cup brings home the Stanley Cup 1/3 of the time so regular season win totals don't correlate to the Cup and it's not farfetched to think your team has a chance come playoffs. I agree with you about AV's style, when the Rangers are all on the same page they can play with any team and have beaten most of the top teams this year. I also agree with you about the equally useless Stralman and Dorsett but check Boyle's postseason stats before you kill the guy he's not the problem in the playoffs, the 1-2 lines are the problem. I doubt any Ranger fan thinks it's easy to win the Cup when it's only happened once in the last 75 years but it's not delusional to expect more from Sather after 14 years with an owner more than willing to shell out top dollar.
the big 3, lundy nash and richards have let this team down, had they had a halfway decent season we would be right in the mix
panzer, thanks for correcting me, i wasn't thinking bowman with the pens (even tho jagr and lemiieux with barasso) was thinking of the red wings, i wasn't even aware daryl sutter that was his first year, yikes he must be a amazing coach, bylsma i think is overrated his team is staked, i think he is a terrible coach as we saw with team usa. but again thanks for correcting me, those 3 did win there first year, its not often but it has happened, Thanks for input . i never said boyle was terrible, i said he is used for other things besides scoring, faceoffs, PK, defense. Never knocked the guy i just think people need to lower his expectations. His highest goal scoring season was 20, he will never achieve that again. i was saying that theres no point trading him. i don't entirely put it all on sather, Look at the teams who have been succesful, pens (who tanked 3 years in a row), blackhawks who drafted really well. The bruins who used there farm and put there system in lock and kept with it even when it didn't succeed at first. (Trust me i live in MA and everybody wanted juilian fired before he won the cup). sather could do better definitely but number one picks don't come easy and would be nice we drafted a kane, crosby, etc
Sleeps is on to something with the drafting. Dump has also said something similar before. If you aren't ever drafting in the top 5, or even top 10, it is extremely hard to win a cup. Since the lockout, only the Red Wings have won a cup without having had a top 5 draft pick within the previous 5 years. Obviously not every team has been carried exclusively by their top pick or picks like Pitt and Chicago have. But when you draft well overall and make smart FA moves, that extra lottery pick talent will put you over the top. We don't have that luxury. It doesnt look like we will for a while. That means we have to be patient and do it the hard way. No reason to flip the fuck out because it's not happening in AV's first year. I really think this organization is on the right track with the moves that have been made.
Agree Prod Rangers have had 1 top 5 pick in 20 freaking years. Pavel Brendl (ugh). The team has been remarkably consistently decent to mediocre sprinkling in a great season. It pays to tank long term
When it comes to giving Boyle his due, you're beating your head against the wall on this site. Most don't want to hear it, because Boyle (a 4th line center) is the reason the Rangers are struggling. Is he great? No. Is he a hard worker every time he steps on the ice? Yes. He has to be, otherwise he'd be gone. I'd like to see what Nash could do if he worked as hard as Boyle.
Dis, even in hindsight, who would you have picked in that draft? look at those drafted after him: Tim Connolly Brian Finley Kris Beech Taylor Pyatt Branizlav Mezei Oleg Saprykin Denis Shvidki Jani Rita Jeff Jillson Scott Kelman Add Lundmark to that and you have the top15 draftees that year. In general terms that draft SUCKED. It's not like the '03 draft where we drafted Jessiman and every other pick in the 1st round had successful NHL careers. How the F do you mess that one up?
Similarly to the Brendl pick, who would you have gotten instead of Montoya? Between Montoya and our next pick in that round (Korpi) these were the players drafted: Olesz Picard Smid Valabik Tukonen Thelen Stafford Dubnyk Radulov Nokelainen Schwartz Chipchua That's a pretty sad list, so it's not like we screwed that pick up with lots of NHL talent available. Radulov is probably the best talent but we would have lost on him altogether once he got back to Russia. Stafford is the only other solid NHLer on that list. We love to complain about all these bust picks, but don't seem to look at the entire draft to see the entire list of busts that came out of that year.
Yep 31- It's also about having the RIGHT picks in the RIGHT draft. Like we used to argue with that dope DDD, the Pens had the #2 pick in the same draft that Ovechkin was in. Guess what, you are getting Malkin or Ovechkin if you are picking 1 or 2. Not only do the Rangers not get many top 5 picks, as luck would have it the one draft they do have a top 5 pick in the top end talent in the entire draft were busts. Life as a Ranger fan....
