15 questions evolutionists cannot adequately answer

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    To each his own
     
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    Good thing evolution doesn't operate by accident.

    What would expect science to observe if evolution is true? Serious question. You know scientists are documenting small environmental adaptations that creationists call "micro" evolution all the time. Is there some barrier you think would keep thousands or millions of small adaptations from adding up to speciation ("macro" evolution) over a time period too long for scientists to directly observe?
     
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    There are no shortage of valid reasons for wanting to discredit pseudo-science when you see it. Doesn't even have to relate to theism/atheism.
     
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    Further explain why you think it's not by accident? Because we are talking about the beginning right? The evolution from that point forward could be argued, but if there isn't a creator, then the "first program" was by accident.

    I think you have me confused with someone else bro. I haven't proclaimed evolution is not happening. In fact, I really won't get into that part of the argument.

    The only "BIG QUESTION" I have, is that of when life first began. You call it God of the Gaps. I call it, "Show me the money". Most other theories have been observed. Even small expansions and contractions within this universe has been observed. What hasn't been observed is something being "programed" by natural accident. When something like that pops up, my tune can change drastically. Until then, I think I like my "designer" approach much better (Observed infinite times). Makes more sense.
     
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    Or science for that matter
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I'm just curious if you watched that Bill Nye and Ken Ham debate? Ken Ham tried to claim the "micro" no "macro" line.
     
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    When you see stars collide and form bigger galaxies, when you see black holes and supernovas occur, and when you see rocks fall into our orbit, you've witnessed something programming itself by accident.
     
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    FAIL.. We are talking about a living, conscious, think for itself objects. Like a single-celled organism or even a complex organism like a pokemon!
     
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    It operates the same way. Evolution is unpredictable in the same way.
     
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    Mags, have you ever counted all of your money, one penny at a time? Literally counted to that number?
     
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    the theory of evolution is just an explanation for how speciation occurs. it doesn't make any claims about origins.

    No chance of that lol. I was just responding to your statement about what scientists haven't observed. They have observed exactly what would be expected if evolution were true. If you think they should be seeing something else you don't understand the theory correctly.
     
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    I haven't denied or agreed about evolution. Show me where you would assume I would disagree that evolution is false?

    As for origin, the egg had to come from somewhere. Choosing to ignore it because you can't observe it, is quite the scapegoat isn't it
     
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    And?
     
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    Sorry, but the it doesn't work that way buddy... Because the theory of evolution could operate in that same way, but thats in same theory of an already "pre-programed" dNA code in a living organism. The code inside one DNA strain has enough information to print enough books to travel to the sun and back. The way a solar system collides with another and forms an entirely new solar system is like explaining, combining hydrogen with oxygen to form water. It is a complex composition, but not a conscious one.

    One solar system didn't consciously collied with another to make itself stronger... It, by chance, collided and then formed another. The theory of evolution is a natural adaptation of a living organism to the environmental surroundings to make itself strong and more adaptable.
     
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    I know you're not disputing common descent, but you are denying DNA could have evolved independently of some sort of designing intelligence. The theory of evolution (by natural selection) IS the theory that it did exactly that.

    Not ignoring. Just trying to keep your subjects separated. Evolution, abiogenesis, and anything to do with cosmology are all different subjects.
     
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    What you're asking for, is to see someone count every penny you own all at once. We can do that with computers, but we don't have that kind of technology yet to demonstrate literally all of the evolutionary process in a matter of minutes. It took billions of years for nature to perform that, and in time, hopefully you can see a more full answer. =]
     
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    The way I see it is powers of two.

    1 cell divides makes 2. 2 cells divide make 4. 4 cells make 8. And so on.

    Mags seems to think it's linear. That a mutation can only occur one at a time. After the first cell divides, you can have 2 new mutations. Then you can have 4. And so on.

    2 to the 32nd power is a number in the billions. When you consider the billions of years life has existed and cells divide, you get number more like 2 to the "holy shit that's a really huge number."
     

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