7.1 million

so most people dislike Obama.

 

We share the same belief in that I too think universal healthcare is needed in the US. But I also thought given the baby boom generation is getting to that age of needing more medical care and that same generation has many people who didn't save and are in fact in debt . . . well implementing universal healthcare is going to hurt many was my thought. If Obama can make it happen in a relatively painless way I will be very impressed.

 

I find it hard to believe it isn't way more. Since over six million lost their insurance, they should all have it plus some of the 40 million that did not before the act.

I know in my case where nearly 400,000 lost their former employer health care, we nearly all have something new, vastly inferior but new insurance.

 

Ha! It will take years only for the very dim.

 

http://democrats.energycommerce.house.gov/sites/default/files/documents/ACA-Coverage-Statistics-2013-12-31.pdf This claims 4.7M. Slightly different, but you make a valid point.

 

There were 30 million Americans without health insurance before Obamacare, and many of those were people who worked for small businesses. Romneycare has created 97% coverage in Mass., and they expect that Obamacare will reach numbers close to that in the near future.

And yes, that is a good thing.

 

I have no idea why they dispute the reports of people losing their coverage. In the case of the retired people, They put a tax on employers for each person covered. I sure as hell don't expect they believe they were going to produce revenue with this tax. So you know the purpose was to move all those people to the market with the uninsured. The same will be the case this coming year with the self insured employers with current workers. They are being taxed also. For what purpose? Terminate that system!!!

Then we have the man reason for the big hub bubb about OBama's lie, "If you like your health care, you can keep your health care!" Those policies were cancelled because they may not have covered Aids, Pregnancy and a host of conditions not previously covered. They had to get all those people off those plans and force them to buy the new plans that covers all that shit most people do not want to pay for.

It is down right criminally unjust to make 50 year old men and woman buy insurance that covers pregnancy or Aids for Crap sake. Most people do not need to insure those things because they know how to avoid the risk which isn't usually much of a risk at all for people over
40.

 

Well if the Republicans can come up with a better plan that covers more people and lowers costs (which some of them like Steele claim they can) then I would be happy to support that plan. But so far what I saw was, Hillary and then Obama along with most Democrats trying to get something accomplished towards ending the plight of the uninsured in America while the Republicans fought tooth and nail against any such legislation. Now, that something has been accomplished and the American people are warming to the idea, the Republicans are trying to re-frame the situation as they just want a different universal plan. Well, if they start fighting for actually improving the ACA, then I'll support them.

 

You are amazing! You will stand there, waiting like a good boy for your turn to be fucked and then say, thank you. Well perhaps you are one that is on the receiving end of the stuff being given away and have little prospects for a better life.

Most people are losing what they had and are being force to purchase insurance covering stuff they don't need covered at inflated premiums. higher co pays and deductibles. This so the government can give people of low means and high risks subsidies for insurance .

This amounts to a giant tax on the average American that was doing just fine before this disruption.

 

I'm sure 20 yrs old think it is criminally unjust to make them pay for coverage for arthritis or joint replacement surgery. I'm guessing it's the 50-70 yr old that are pilling up the medical bills not the 20-30 yr old.

The bigger grip is everyone who has to help pay insurance for all those 60's+ people who didn't save enough to even pay for medical insurance during their retirement years. To me that is the real problem, but no matter whose fault, everyone should have medical insurance.

 

A pretty uninformed take there TOB, I don't think the mass uninsured includes many at all of plus 60 population.

But hey I love it when one of you tax the rich fuckers come out with that dip shit observation about the old dudes that didn't save!!! Look at them friend, you will see a generation of people that knows what it's like to pay high taxes. The like of which you all want to see happen again.

Think on it, paying 60 - to 70 percent federal tax with no way to escape the tax, no IRAs, no 401Ks, no Roth IRA, just pay. Now you say they didn't save??? I will just say that is uniformed but that sure is being kind. And yeah, I think it unjust to make 20 year olds buy insurance. When they get an employer provide plan is soon enough.

 

Thank you MA.

But hey I love it when grouchy old people complain about taxes. They leverage their house and pile on the credit card debt thinking land prices will always go up. They leave their stable job and pursue their hobby and blame the gov't when they can't make a profit on their hobby. Then when they realize the world has passed them by and their meager savings isn't nearly enough, they blame everyone but themselves.

Think on it, we went from a country of Building the American Dream to Borrowing the American Dream . . . and it's all Obama's fault.

 

Naw, it's not all Obama's fault. It is the fault of dumb shits that voted for Obama and that Democrat congress. I am not sure that is recoverable.

 

Well it's definitely somebody's fault . . . and not the dumb shits who didn't save enough for health insurance.

 

6 million who signed up had their policies cancelled. The RAND study, commissioned by the government, showed that only 865,000 of those who signed up are "new" to insurance. I wonder how much that number differs from a normal insurance cycle?

 

How cute. You still believe what your government tells you to believe. Magically, after months of not knowing the number in hearings, they hit their number!

 

Notice Obama didn't say that all 7 million were previously uninsured.

Lackeys will believe everything they're told...

 

It's when a virus like SARS occurs that you'll see why the poorest americans and people who work in public will need this health care coverage. I worked in Taiwan the year the SARS epidemic happened and it was a wake up call to what can happen when basic health care needs are not met. Taiwan has a great national health care system based on a sales tax that supports the entire thing. That and the fact that folks don't sue hospitals often and there's no tort reform needed presently like there is here. When everyone in the country has to have their temperature taken to go to work or shop and wear a mask in any public place..you'll see how important Obamacare can be...it's at least a start. The air we share doesn't have an income segregating barrier