Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. We all know about the top NBA ballhogs. (Mike James, Steve Francis...etc...) But I think their are a lot of NBA players that are terrible ballhogs and they don't get called out. I want everyone to post at least one. One guy I notice is Ron Artest. You usually don't think of this guy as a ballhog. One thing with Artest is that he never lets the offense come to him, he's usually not in the offensive flow. I watched him twice in the preseason and a little bit last night as well as a handfull of games last season. Ron shoots way too many threepointers and it hurts the teams offense...He's really turned into a chucker. Last night was another example. 6/24 shooting including 0/4 from three. Ugh. Come on Ron.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. First of all, give Artest credit. He got 7 steals and 12 boards last night too.But I will completely agree. Every time I look at a Kings box score, it seems Ron Artest shoots 30% from the floor. Plus he even brings the ball up sometimes, even when Mike Bibby is in the game.But I'll follow the rules and add one: Chris Webber. In Sacramento he played within the team. But now, he still wants to take as many shots as he did 6 years ago, and he's bricking everything with that god-awful mid-range shot of his. Philly fans definitely call him out, but nobody else does. Analysts even give him the benefit of the doubt (except for Stephen A. Smith, who I definitely respect for always telling it how it is). He needs to accept the fact that he's getting old and on the decline, and give some of those shots to other guys like Iggy, Korver, Carney, and Green.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. Stackhouse. The guy doesn't know that he needs to share the wealth and his best game has passed. Still he shoots at least 10 shots a game despite that. Always shoots around 40%. Also he turns the ball over a lot.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Nov 2 2006, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stackhouse. The guy doesn't know that he needs to share the wealth and his best game has passed. Still he shoots at least 10 shots a game despite that. Always shoots around 40%. Also he turns the ball over a lot.</div> I watched Stackhouse in the playoffs last year and he was always jacking up terrible shots or making stupid decisions with the ball. I made a thread about it because it shocked me so much. I remember the season he averaged almost 30 points in Detroit, that ball was practicely glued to his fingers...I remember going, 'pass the ball Jerry!'
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Nov 2 2006, 03:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This current season, Dwayne Wade.</div>Are you serious? He only took 15 shots, and was only player who got teammates open looks and making baskets against Chicago.I'd have to say Antoine Walker. He makes some pretty passes, but most of the time when the ball goes to him it's going right back up.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 2 2006, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I watched Stackhouse in the playoffs last year and he was always jacking up terrible shots or making stupid decisions with the ball. I made a thread about it because it shocked me so much. I remember the season he averaged almost 30 points in Detroit, that ball was practicely glued to his fingers...I remember going, 'pass the ball Jerry!' </div>I remember that, he was explosive back in the day. Of course, the Pistons didn't have very reliable second options though. Corliss Williamson doesn't cut it.Antoine Walker has always been a ball hog, yet he is never one of the first to be called out.-Posted at the same time as Nitro...
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. Consider Walker's NBA career from the start. When he first came to Boston, he was forced to dominate the ball. Then he got a new coach in Jim O'Brien who TOLD Toine to shoot 3's. That ruined him, IMO. And you have to admit that Walker has become a smarter player in Miami (and he's also whipped himself into excellent shape).OF course I'm going to defend Toine, but when he was a "ballhog" in Boston, consier his supporting cast. Paul Pierce... Tony Delk, Walter McCarty, Tony Battie, Erick Strickland, Eric Williams, Vitaly Potapenko, Kedrick Brown.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Are you serious?</div> Yes, I expect some games from Wade where he will look for his shot rather then look for the pass. From your response, it fits the topic pretty well. No need to name guys we already know ballhog.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. Ron Artest likes to run the ball, so it SEEMS hes a ball hog, but he isnt. He does run the team pretty nice too.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Nov 2 2006, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yes, I expect some games from Wade where he will look for his shot rather then look for the pass. From your response, it fits the topic pretty well. No need to name guys we already know ballhog.</div>There is a difference between scoring when your team needs it and being a ballhog. When I think ballhog, I think taking forced shots that were unnecasary, not hitting open teammates, etc... Wade is one of the most unselfish superstars you will find, takes less than 20 shots per game (I expect that to rise a bit this year, but not by much) and always looks to get teammates involved first. When they show they cannot perform well enough to win, then he takes over, ala NBA Finals or against Detroit during the season.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. ricky davis, sometimes. it's not so much that he always shoots too much, it's just that he has to have the ball in his hands. he dribbles way too much, tries to make plays that he can't and can force some shots.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Eh... Jerry Stackhouse and Antoine Walker are both ballhogs from what I saw in the 2006 Finals. They hardly passed the ball. Both players took random shots, too.</span>
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and always looks to get teammates involved first.</div> I disagree with that. He's a scorer first imo, not a pass first guard. His getting teammates involved are usually drive and kicks. So he's holding the ball quite a bit, plus I think following his increased in skills/performance from the Finals. We'll see an increase in Wade forcing shots because like you said, his teammates may not be up to task that night.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. If you noticed the title it said THAT DON'T GET CALLED OUT when Gil does on a daily basis here.
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 2 2006, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, give Artest credit. He got 7 steals and 12 boards last night too.But I will completely agree. Every time I look at a Kings box score, it seems Ron Artest shoots 30% from the floor. Plus he even brings the ball up sometimes, even when Mike Bibby is in the game.But I'll follow the rules and add one: Chris Webber. In Sacramento he played within the team. But now, he still wants to take as many shots as he did 6 years ago, and he's bricking everything with that god-awful mid-range shot of his. Philly fans definitely call him out, but nobody else does. Analysts even give him the benefit of the doubt (except for Stephen A. Smith, who I definitely respect for always telling it how it is). He needs to accept the fact that he's getting old and on the decline, and give some of those shots to other guys like Iggy, Korver, Carney, and Green.</div>I was mad when Webber use to throw so many of them mid range shots up, but I also see him doing good in DET I say it was the cast around AI+Webber not those 2. Even though he does not play good D, and shoots a little to many of those jump shots he still was made worse by guys like Iggy/Korver ect not shooting. People only had to watch out really for AI/Webber puts extra pressure on them.I agree with person who said Walker LMAO that dude just chucked them up like crazy from 3 in Boston. lol But he did make a lot also. lol
Re: Ballhogs that don't get called out. I have heard Stack and Walker get called out tons of times for being ballhogs. I seriously can't believe you people think they never get called out.
