Alright, I just want to clarify something... this is not a new "rule" that the NBA implemented, contrary to popular belief. All David Stern did was send a memo out to the referees telling them to crack down on ridiculous player behavior.Anyway, I agree, so far the referees have been a little too technical happy. But, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that they are doing what they do at the beginning of every year. They always call a lot of travels, palming violations, etc. at the beginning of the season to send the players a message, and then as the season progresses things return to normal. Hopefully the same will happen with this new "policy."
I like the rule in general, at least in the form it was in when it left David Stern's office. As for how it is being construed and implemented by these refs, its real garbage. Wally Sczerbiak got one last night for blocking some pistons bench player clean and just running away from the play after the whistle blew...no arms up, no anything. technical. The refs need to give these guys at least a chance to get comfortable with the rules via a warning if they are going to be this strict about it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 4 2006, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Then he went into the Tim Duncan part though. So, he forgot/didn't see the Elson one, he still made a very valid point about Tim Duncan bitching and not getting called.Also guys, how about Sam Cassell the other night vs. Denver, where he got in the ref's face and bitched/moaned about a no-call during an entire timeout? No technical there, but of course if Sheed claps his hands he's ejected. I can't stand it, and I do agree with Rasheed. This no-tolerance BS is just that - BS. Like he said throughout the rest of that interview, "Stern is trying to make these players act like robots and he's taking all the emotion out of the game." He also said something like "They want us to go up to the ref and whisper. I'm not whispering, I'm going to be myself and get excited."I mean if they keep this up, Rasheed will set a technical record, and he won't deserve half of them.Technicals this year that were NOT deserved AT ALL1. Rasheed saying "oh!" and putting his hands up after a block. That lead to the 2nd one, so he should not have been ejected in the first place.2. Andres Nocioni putting his hands up after a call... with no facial expression and no words coming out of his mouth. Give me a motherfuckin break.3. Francisco Elson saying "oh!" on the way down off the rim after a hard dunk. They called it "taunting." For one, he wasn't even looking at anybody when he said "oh!", and two - taunting is when you talk unnecessary smack and get up in a players' face and basically say "Yeah bi*ch I own you, I just dunked on you!" All he did was yell because he was excited after a dunk.4. Carmelo Anthony tossing his headband. WOW.5. Mike Bibby getting ejected. Give me a break, again.6. Wally Szczerbiak, one of the classiest guys in the league, saying "oh come on" after a foul.Noticeable No-Calls1. Tim Duncan whining like crazy in the Dallas game.2. LeBron in the Spurs game a couple times.3. Cassell arguing/whining about a no-call throughout en entire timeout.If you are going to call technical fouls on a player for getting excited after they dunk, that is friggen insane. What does Stern want them to do? During an emotional game with the adrenaline pumping - "Excuse me, sir. I was wondering, would you mind explaining the ruling on that call during the next dead possession? I appreciate it, you're doing a great job sir." COME ON.</div>That's my quote from the Rasheed thread. David Stern is ruining the fun. The NBA will start to lose fans because of this BS. There are no rivalries anymore, you can't bring your passion to the game, and you can't even friggen get excited about your teammate dunking anymore. This is bullsh**, I can't f*cking stand it, and this should be stopped.
I dislike this rule alot. A T should on happen if they taunt and try to embarass a player,arguing with the ref numerous times,or a fight happens. Players should be allowed to show emotion if it will get the crowd up hire and they can feel fired up and play agressive.
I really like this rule. The emotionless-NBA is really stirring up fans, also making it more fair for the players that are more sensitive to the referee's feelings. The bad ones can complain for a call, put their hands up, and say, "Oh" - only to find their deserving butts where they belong. Ejected.And then I woke up.
I don't want to sound for the rule but I saw a couple of things I disagreed with on CB's list. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>3. Francisco Elson saying "oh!" on the way down off the rim after a hard dunk. They called it "taunting." For one, he wasn't even looking at anybody when he said "oh!", and two - taunting is when you talk unnecessary smack and get up in a players' face and basically say "Yeah bi*ch I own you, I just dunked on you!" All he did was yell because he was excited after a dunk.</div> Accidental but he did yell right in Dampier's face and looked right at him during it. Still agree, no tech should have been called. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>4. Carmelo Anthony tossing his headband. WOW.</div> I was talking to Tony about this. I think we both agreed as the headband, again accidental, was thrown in the direction of an official. It reminded me of a call last year with Haslem who threw his mouthpiece in the direction of a official. He should have removed it on the bench or simply not taken it off. Instead he threw it, bad move. I basically agree with bigmo's view on the zero tolerance rule. I was for it from the beginning thinking it would end complaining and bitching. But the officials have taken it up a notch where players are being forced to play like robots(emoting no emotion). I see it dissippating as the season continues.
I view the new policy like communism. In theory its all good, but when implemented it just doesn't work right. If the referees could get together and discuss the rule and find a common ground, then things would be better, because I've seen some major inconsistencies with the new policy. On one night I see Tim Duncan screaming in a referee's face without anything being done to him while Kirk Hinrich gets t'd up for doing the "huh?" shrug. The superstars are still getting by, and they may really be the only ones. The referees are just not smart enough to do this right, which is really sad, because I really would like to see there be less whining by players in the league, its been a problem for a long time now.Mild Sauce homie!
OK, this is getting completely out of hand. Allen Iverson just shot a jumper, and said "And 1" when he shot it (he normally does this for those of you who don't know), and he got a technical foul. What the hell is that...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Nov 4 2006, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was talking to Tony about this. I think we both agreed as the headband, again accidental, was thrown in the direction of an official. It reminded me of a call last year with Haslem who threw his mouthpiece in the direction of a official. He should have removed it on the bench or simply not taken it off. Instead he threw it, bad move.</div>Haha noooo. Way different than Melo's case. Haslem disliked a call (or no-call, was it?) and he purposely chucked his mouthguard at an official. He tried to hit him. Melo was looking at the ground and walking forward, and just plucked his headband with his fingers. Conclusion was that it flung off his head and right a little to the right. I could see you comparing it to Haslem's case if Melo looked at the ref and purposely threw it at him, but come on. Way different.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (psychocim @ Nov 4 2006, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like the rule in general, at least in the form it was in when it left David Stern's office. As for how it is being construed and implemented by these refs, its real garbage. Wally Sczerbiak got one last night for blocking some pistons bench player clean and just running away from the play after the whistle blew...no arms up, no anything. technical. The refs need to give these guys at least a chance to get comfortable with the rules via a warning if they are going to be this strict about it.</div>About Wally, he did say "oh come on." But still, that should not have been a T.
The referees need to be more consistent with this crap. AI gets a technical for saying "And 1" when he shoots a jumper, but Alonzo Mourning goes crazy after getting called for an offensive foul and doesn't get a technical? Then Wade starts swinging his arms "wildly" when he's called for a defensive foul... no technical?If they are going to call these BS technicals, then they need to go both ways... at least show some consistency.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Haha noooo. Way different than Melo's case. Haslem disliked a call (or no-call, was it?) and he purposely chucked his mouthguard at an official. He tried to hit him. Melo was looking at the ground and walking forward, and just plucked his headband with his fingers. Conclusion was that it flung off his head and right a little to the right. I could see you comparing it to Haslem's case if Melo looked at the ref and purposely threw it at him, but come on. Way different.</div> I'm only pointing out the similarity in a object being thrown towards the official. I pointed out he didn't mean to but with the new policy, it was a bad move by Melo. Plus from the ref's perspective, he probably just saw the headband flung toward him. That's where the t came in. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The referees need to be more consistent with this crap. AI gets a technical for saying "And 1" when he shoots a jumper, but Alonzo Mourning goes crazy after getting called for an offensive foul and doesn't get a technical? Then Wade starts swinging his arms "wildly" when he's called for a defensive foul... no technical?</div> I guess that throws out superstars not getting special treatment, ie. AI.
I think the NBA and the refs have blurred the line between doing something that shows emotion and something that shows contention to the refs. I don't know how they did it, because it's perfectly obviously they've stepped over the line way too much.A lot of people, before the start of the season, said they would like the rule because it would eliminate a lot of whinging and so on. However, the NBA, as I said, has now eliminated all emotion. It's like in tennis, as there's a big debate over the new replay machine. They're debating whether having a machine making the calls would eliminate the soul of the game, with players becoming less animated because you can't rage against the machine. With basketball, you obviously can't do that, because it's not just an in-or-out question.So, basketball won't lose emotion that way. However, the NBA has now eliminated the passion of the game, whether intentionally or not, by instigating this new zero-tolerance policy.
this rule is f'n ridiculous. Rasheed got a T tonight for NOTHING. he made an and-1 layup, then running down the court, he made a SMALL gesture with his hands implying "come on now, that's a foul", immediately given a technical. Then Flip Saunders rightfully argues and gets a technical as well. this wouldn't make me as mad if the "good guys" didn't get away with the same stuff. what a disgrace.
