Bulls Good Players drafted:-Ben Gordon-Kirk Heinrich-Tyrus Thomas-Jay Williams-Eddy Curry-Thaboo Sefolosha-Loul Deng-Andreas Nocioni-Chris DuhonCelticsGood Players Drafted:-Rajon Rando-Delonte West-Al Jefferson-Gerald Green-Ryan Gomes-Tony Allen-Joe JohnsonBobcatsGood Players Drafted:-Emeka Okafor-Sean May-Raymond Felton-Adam Morrison
Defenitly the Celtics. They have a ton of problems but Danny Ainge's drafting isnt one of them. Hes tops in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (psychocim @ Nov 5 2006, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Defenitly the Celtics. They have a ton of problems but Danny Ainge's drafting isnt one of them. Hes tops in the league.</div>Sure, Ainge is a god come draft time, but I definitely think this has to go to the Bulls. They have drafted so many really good young players it's not even funny.-Ben Gordon is one of the best 4th quarter scorers in the NBA.-Kirk Hinrich is one of the best young PG's in the NBA.-Tyrus Thomas has the potential to be a star.-Jay Williams would have been an All-Star caliber PG in his prime if he never crashed his bike.-Eddy Curry was a good pick, and he's a good player, he just has heart problems and can't rebound well.-Thaboo Sefolosha is looking like Doug Christie 2.0.-Loul Deng has All-Star potential.-Andreas Nocioni is a very good player, underrated, and a great 6th man to have.-Chris Duhon is a leader, can hit 3's, can play defense, unselfish.With the Celtics:-Rajon Rondo is looking good.-Delonte West looked awesome last year, but isn't this year (yet).-Al Jefferson is showing a lot of promise and could be a 20/10 guy.-Gerald Green has the potential to be a perenneal All-Star.-Ryan Gomes is going to be a very solid player for a long time. Such a steal at 50th pick.-Tony Allen is a good defender and he's athletic.-Joe Johnson is a star.But no way does our youth even come close to comparing with the Bulls, especially at this point. If it did, we would be considered a top 5 seed.
<span style="font-family:Book Antiqua">Toronto Raptors:Tracy McGradyVince CarterChris BoshAndrea BargnaniMaster P... :HAHAHA:Yeah, I know you said, "Past few years" but it hasn't even been 9 years since VC & T-Mac were drafted by the Raptors.</span>
the raptors' bad picks like araujo kind of cancel out some of the good picks. and mcgrady was drafted like 10 years ago.the celtics have done a great job of trying to piece a team together in the draft. they acquired different skillsets that complement eachother well. for example, they have a few lockdown defenders, some playmakers, and some shooters. even some inside players. they've basically pieced the entire team together via the draft. but the bobcats and bulls have done a great job of drafting winners. the bulls got ncaa winners in ben gordon, kirk hinrich, chris duhon, tyrus thomas, luol deng, and an international winner in nocioni. charlotte got ncaa tournament mop in emeka okafor, and others such as adam morrison, raymond felton, sean may.
I don't think you can count the Bobcats, because they've had such high draft picks that it's hard not to draft a talented player.How about the Spurs? Manu Ginobli as the 56th pick is crazy, Tony Parker in the late first round is amazing, and Beno Udrih so late was a very good pickup.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lakaboy42 @ Nov 5 2006, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think you can count the Bobcats, because they've had such high draft picks that it's hard not to draft a talented player.How about the Spurs? Manu Ginobli as the 56th pick is crazy, Tony Parker in the late first round is amazing, and Beno Udrih so late was a very good pickup.</div>I agree, SA always gets very good player no matter the pick. Not to mention Oberto who btw is a starter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I agree, SA always gets very good player no matter the pick. Not to mention Oberto who btw is a starter.</div> I think you mean Luis Scola. They signed Oberto, who I think has been a disappointment. He's starting right now by default, I see that changing that with Elson's play. I agree with the Bulls being one of the best. On top of it, they could be in play for another high pick come next draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Nov 5 2006, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you mean Luis Scola. They signed Oberto, who I think has been a disappointment. He's starting right now by default, I see that changing that with Elson's play. I agree with the Bulls being one of the best. On top of it, they could be in play for another high pick come next draft.</div>I meant Oberto, I thoguht he got drafted. Well whatever, IMO hes playing well for them.
The Spurs also drafted some player with the 2nd to last pick in the second round this year, and traded him for "2" 2nd round draft picks. I think that is simply amazing considering he was the 2nd last guy picked in the entire draft. They also drafted Leandro Barbosa, but they traded him away to Phoenix for a future first rounder(dumb move). But the bulls and the celtics definitely are the top two in the league. I would say the bulls have done a better job but that is just because their picks have been higher.
The Mavericks drafted Josh Howard late in the first round, and they got Dirk Nowitzki and Devin Harris also. They are a pretty good drafting team.To tell you the truth, the Knicks are a pretty good drafting team. They just suck at free agency, trading, contracts, etc....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 5 2006, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>-Ben Gordon is one of the best 4th quarter scorers in the NBA.-Kirk Hinrich is one of the best young PG's in the NBA.-Tyrus Thomas has the potential to be a star.-Jay Williams would have been an All-Star caliber PG in his prime if he never crashed his bike.-Eddy Curry was a good pick, and he's a good player, he just has heart problems and can't rebound well.-Thaboo Sefolosha is looking like Doug Christie 2.0.-Loul Deng has All-Star potential.-Andreas Nocioni is a very good player, underrated, and a great 6th man to have.-Chris Duhon is a leader, can hit 3's.....</div>First of all, many players on the C's have the POTENTIAL to be an all star. Ben Gordon has fallen off big time from early expectations. The only real truth is that Heinrich is nasty. But WHEN you get to draft has a big effect on these things no? The teams record and drafting analysis have to be kept seperate. Its a close call either way.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SunnyD @ Nov 5 2006, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Mavericks drafted Josh Howard late in the first round, and they got Dirk Nowitzki and Devin Harris also. They are a pretty good drafting team.To tell you the truth, the Knicks are a pretty good drafting team. They just suck at free agency, trading, contracts, etc....</div>for the record, they traded for both dirk and harris. dirk was originally drafted by milwaukee and harris by washington.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>for the record, they traded for both dirk and harris. dirk was originally drafted by milwaukee and harris by washington.</div> You could say that but technically I believe most teams who trade for a pick in a draft have say in who their picking. Such as with Harris, Mavs made the trade a couple days prior to draft day. Pretty much telling Wiz who they wanted at the 5th pick when it came time. Mavs picked him but Wiz made the selection. Get my drift? Same goes for Dirk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (psychocim @ Nov 5 2006, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, many players on the C's have the POTENTIAL to be an all star. Ben Gordon has fallen off big time from early expectations. The only real truth is that Heinrich is nasty. But WHEN you get to draft has a big effect on these things no? The teams record and drafting analysis have to be kept seperate. Its a close call either way.</div>What? When you have a super young team, like the Bulls, and they make the playoffs - that's great. We'll even excuse Wallace/Brown/Sweetney from that team. Still EASILY the most stacked young team in the league, and they drafted them all.Ben Gordon may not have reached the absolute highest expectations, but those expactations weren't necessarily realistic - they were expectations based on other people's opinions. You can't argue that he has progressed nicely and he's a top clutch player in the NBA.The only real truth on the team is Hinrich? Luol Deng doesn't impress you? Nocioni? Thomas? Sefolosha? Not to mention, Duhon carries himself like a 7 year veteran. To say the Bulls havn't loaded with young stars is crazy.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Nov 5 2006, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>for the record, they traded for both dirk and harris. dirk was originally drafted by milwaukee and harris by washington.</div>True, but Dirk was highly scouted by Don Nelson when he was in Germany.
If it just applies towards drafting Phoenix has been pretty good at it. Depending on how far back a few years is meant to be you have Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire and more recently there is Luol Deng, Nate Robinson, Rajon Rondo and Sergio Rodriguez. Now if only we could keep these players we have been drafting :brickwall:
Looking at nbadraft.net I found this. http://nbadraft.net/nichols006.aspRecent NBA Draft SuccessBy Jon NicholsNBADraft.net 9/23/06NBA drafts can be frustrating times for many fans. Some fans look forward every year to adding a new young talent to their roster, only to see the player fizzle out and not help the team. Even though general managers have their jobs for a reason and can do their jobs better than any of us armchair quarterbacks, sometimes it seems they?re clueless. I did this study to find out which teams have been the most successful in the draft and which haven?t been doing their homework. The study was done based on drafts from 1990 to 2002. This time period was selected because anything pre-1990 seems outdated and because judging players who?ve been in the league for less than 3 years is unfair. The first statistic I used to measure success was average PER in the first round for each team. PER, or Player Efficiency Rating, was developed by ESPN?s John Hollinger. According to Hollinger, ?Player Efficiency Rating is a rating of a player?s per-minute productivity.? The league average is set at 15. More information can be found here:http://www.alleyoop.com/prates.shtm.The second statistic used was standard deviation of PER in the first round. This is used to determine how unpredictable each team?s picks were. Teams with higher standard deviations had more unpredictable picks and vice versa. The third statistic used was one I developed. I determine if each player selected was a success based not only on performance but also on draft position. For a #1 pick to be a success, he has to have a career PER of at least 16.8. For a #2 pick, 16.6. I subtracted .2 from each subsequent required PER, all the way down to pick #30 which needs a PER of 11 to be a success. As you may have noticed, up to this point I have only focused on the first round. But there are two rounds in the draft, and certainly both can produce great players. However, I felt it was unfair to use any of the first three statistics on the 2nd round. Because it is most common for a 2nd rounder to be nothing special, one great player can dramatically affect the overall rating of a team in one of the three categories. Thus, I took a look at each player drafted in the 2nd round to see if he played in at least 100 games in his career. For each team, I calculated the percentage of players that met this criterion. Where does your team rank? Draft Success 1990-2002 Rank Team Avg. PER Std. Dev. 1st Round 2nd Round 100+ 1 Suns 16.1 3.93 <span style="color:#006600">80%</span> 38.89%2 76ers 15.07 3.53 63.64% 35.29%3 Pacers 13.83 <span style="color:#006600">1.19</span> 63.64% 36.36%4 Cavaliers 14.57 3.31 61.54% 40%5 Pistons 13.48 4.08 61.54% 44.44%6 Grizzlies <span style="color:#006600">16.59</span> 2.79 60% 30%7 Jazz 13.03 4.13 58.33% 45.45%8 Raptors 14.96 <span style="color:#FF0000">5.26</span> 55.56% <span style="color:#FF0000">0%</span>9 Sonics 14.53 2.67 54.55% 47.37%10 Hornets 15.51 4.26 50% <span style="color:#006600">71.43%</span>11 T-wolves 15 4.57 50% 35.71%12 Warriors 14.77 2.96 50% 16.67%13 Bucks 14.29 4.2 50% 62.50%14 Spurs 13.99 5.69 50% 41.67%15 Wizards 13.84 2.66 44.44% 53.33%16 Celtics 13.13 4.33 42.86% 12.50%17 Lakers 13.03 3.17 40% 27.27%18 Nuggets 13.63 3.09 37.50% 35.71%19 Magic 13.41 5.05 36.84% 57.14%20 Kings 13.55 2.5 33.33% 44.44%21 Clippers 13.29 2.4 31.58% 25%22 Hawks 12.23 2.35 31.25% 25%23 T-Blazers 13.12 3.65 30% 20%24 Mavericks 13.53 2.65 27.27% 57.89%25 Rockets 12.48 5.15 26.67% 35.29%26 Nets 13.23 3.45 25% 37.50%27 Knicks <span style="color:#FF0000">11.88</span> 1.95 25% 12.50%28 Bulls 12.6 3.83 20% 36.84%29 Heat 13.45 1.6 <span style="color:#FF0000">11.11%</span> 35.71%<span style="color:#006600">Indicates Best</span><span style="color:#FF0000">Indicates Worst</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Diawsome @ Nov 6 2006, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If it just applies towards drafting Phoenix has been pretty good at it. Depending on how far back a few years is meant to be you have Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire and more recently there is Luol Deng, Nate Robinson, Rajon Rando and Sergio Rodriguez. Now if only we could keep these players we have been drafting :brickwall:</div>It's Rondo (sorry, but people keep saying Rando and it bugs me), and the last 4 names you mentioned don't count. Deng was drafted FOR Chicago, Robinson was drafted FOR New York, Rondo was drafted FOR Boston, and Rodriguez was drafted FOR Portland. Now, "technically" I guess the Suns drafted him, but they drafted based on the other teams' commands. They worked the trades out before the picks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 6 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's Rondo (sorry, but people keep saying Rando and it bugs me), and the last 4 names you mentioned don't count. Deng was drafted FOR Chicago, Robinson was drafted FOR New York, Rondo was drafted FOR Boston, and Rodriguez was drafted FOR Portland. Now, "technically" I guess the Suns drafted him, but they drafted based on the other teams' commands. They worked the trades out before the picks.</div>I looked at his name 4 times and I still mis-spelled it True I guess. Marion, Stoudemire and Barbosa is better then nothing though as long as they don't cry poor in this year's draft :closedeyes:
