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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I know a few that have. A couple got into spiritualism, not Christianity. Some kind of universal belief that the Universe has consciousness and everything is connected by a supreme universe or something.

    Most stayed atheist... Just said "wow the brain is pretty powerful"
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Curious why you think what u do regarding psychedelics?
     
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    http://science.howstuffworks.com/lsd5.htm

    LSD Dangers and Abuse

    There have been very few reports of LSD overdoses that resulted in death or permanent health problems. In 1973, a case was recorded in The Western Journal of Medicine in which eight people took massive overdoses of LSD at a party. They thought that the white powder being passed around was cocaine and snorted milligrams of it. Most of them passed out. In the hospital, they suffered from fevers, vomiting and internal bleeding. However, all of the patients recovered within 12 hours with no lasting effects. Five of them were examined regularly for a year afterwards for long-term problems. There have been reports of heart attacks, strokes and other deaths associated with LSD use, but many of these users also had other recreational drugs in their systems, so the role of LSD was inconclusive.

    The real physical damage associated with LSD comes from what can happen when someone loses inhibitions and has poor judgment, skewed perceptions or a sense of immortality while tripping. LSD users have accidentally killed themselves by walking in front of a car, getting into a car accident while tripping, or falling from windows or buildings.



    These people didn't "go crazy." LSD isn't likely to make someone go insane or become psychotic. It can interact with other drugs and cause psychotic symptoms (especially other drugs that work on neurotransmitters). Some people with histories of certain mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia or psychosis, may have their symptoms exacerbated on LSD. It may also speed the onset of these illnesses if one was already going to develop.



    Heavy LSD users can also develop profound social problems, completely ruin their sleep cycles and lose interest in eating and personal hygiene. They become uninterested in participating in the world going on around them and feel completely disconnected from everybody else. The real problem is that because they're taking LSD so often, they think the LSD is creating the illusion that their life is a mess instead of recognizing that it really is a mess.



    You won't hear about someone being in rehab for LSD abuse, however, because it's not an addictive drug. Using LSD for just a few days in a row can cause a person to build up a tolerance quickly, so it's rarely used more than once a week. A person who uses LSD twice a week is considered a heavy user. In addition, repeated trips tend to lose their novelty, and what once seemed magical becomes everyday and commonplace. The effects caused by LSD aren't dependable in the way that other drugs' effects are -- you never know how you'll feel or what you'll see. Addicts crave dependability.
     
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    tlongII, if you drink alcohol you do something many many fold more dangerous both in the immediate and over the long term than LSD. That's not to say there aren't negative consequences to LSD or other hallucinogens, but overall those negatives have been greatly exaggerated by "anti-drug" folk who especially see the mind altering effects only as a detriment to society instead of looking at the many positives that can also come with such an introspective experience. Right now psilocybin mushrooms and LSD are being used in experiments to help with PTSD as well as other things. And Ibogaine, a South American psychoactive is being used with great results in treatment centers to get people who are hooked on more dangerous drugs like heroin and alcohol to give up their addiction.

    My point is that yes, these hallucinogens are powerful and may have negative effects, but that the positive effects are greater and more people could benefit if the negative stigma were removed and the drugs could be used more freely and openly.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Doesn't look dangerous at all.

    A milligram of LSD is the equivalent of 10 hits. Also, snorting a milligram? Really? There aint enough to even get in the tip of your nose. Some of these stories are soooooooo funny. I just love em!
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1011615-overview

    (read it)

    http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1011615-overview#aw2aab6b2b5

    The long-term prognosis for persons who use LSD is good provided that they stop using it, and most users voluntarily decrease or stop the use of the drug over time. LSD is not considered an addictive drug, because it does not produce compulsive drug-seeking behavior; however, LSD does produce a physiologic tolerance, requiring subsequent increased doses to achieve the same effect.

    However, for those who use LSD chronically, there is the enhanced risk for schizophreniform psychosis and derangements in memory function, problem solving, and abstract thinking.

    (Not harmful!)
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    No more harmful than drinking too much alcohol or smoking cigarettes.
     
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    If you don't go around talking about the dangers of alcohol to everyone who drinks it, you should just shut the fuck up about LSD.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Normally, ignorance creates fear. One that drinks, thinks it's no big deal because they know the effects. Those that never took psychedelics fear the unknown and believe it's some terrifying drug. Basically they believe the hype.
     
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    The public is bombarded constantly with messages regarding the harmfulness of alcohol. LSD? Not so much.
     
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    2,500,000 deaths annually from alcohol worldwide. I wonder if, being as liberal as possible in assigning causes of death, if there are even 250 people worldwide who die from LSD. I doubt it, heck, I doubt it's more than 10 people a year. I know only a few deaths ever have been attributed directly, but add in all the people jumping out windows, and I still bet you can guess why the public is bombarded with messages regarding the harmfulness of alcohol and why LSD doesn't seem to be on par.
     
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    Why? Maybe because LSD doesn't kill? Instead the government doesn't even talk about the harmfulness of alcohol. They get tons of tax money to earn revenue. They banned LSD because of its ability to open the mind. Government would like sheep, not innovators.

    That's why they criminalize the drug, even though studies in the psychiatric world loved using it for mental health treatment.
     
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    The scientist in me prefers to see that data normalized to a per capita rate. There are many more alcohol drinkers than LSD trippers.
     
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    http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/lsd/international-statistics.html

    A study released in January 2008 found that about 3.1 million people in the US aged 12 to 25 said they had used LSD.

    http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/underage-drinking.htm

    The 2011 Youth Risk Behavior Survey6 found that among high school students, during the past 30 days 39% drank some amount of alcohol.

    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

    Total population 316.1M, under 18 is 23.5% or 74.4M. Under 24 would be several million more.

    About 29M underage drank in the last 30 days.

    My notes:

    1. A rough attempt to get drinkers and lsd users below age 24.
    2. If you include all drinkers over 18, the figure is 51% per http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm
    3. The 3.1M figure represents about 1% of the population. Vs. 39% or 51%.
    4. The figure seems to be 1.1% for everyone over age 12.

    http://www.samhsa.gov/data/2K10/DAWN005/sr005-underage-alcohol-use.htm

    About 190,000 E.R. visits for alcohol abuse.

    http://www.intheknowzone.com/substance-abuse-topics/hallucinogens/statistics.html

    About 5,000 E.R. visits for LSD abuse.

    More notes:

    1. 39 x 5000 = 195,000.

    Not perfectly scientific. It seems to me that lots of the alcohol users drink more than once a week. And in much bigger doses (% of bloodstream or any other measure). Of the ~3.xM people who have done LSD at least once, I suspect the frequency of use is far less than once per week.
     
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    I didn't see it myself but I hear tell back in the hay day of the flower power, an LSD advocate
    swore he could leave the Golden Gate and land softly on Alcatraz. I think he hit the water at
    about 120 miles/hour. He burst open like a watermelon dropped off the balcony.
    The traditionalist, sipping cheap wine, returned to the park.
     
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    I have learned though a long and busy life that you can do quite well without the aid of either. However, it does seem to be a difficult lesson to master.
     
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    Man they still make that stuff? I haven't seen that around here in YEARS. I would come out of a 20+ year retirement if I could find some. Lol Hey uhh... I'll bring the Froot Loops and all 3 seasons of Gilligan's Island on DVD if you would share some with me? Lol
     
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    3.1M is 1% of the whole country, not of the age 12-25 group. Also, you'll find a much higher percent among those who came of age in the 70s. I don't believe the 5000 number.

    Edit: Ha ha, I just looked at your sites. Every one is right-wing antidrug propaganda. Way to go!
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Link? The government (social agencies that keep the culture conservative--the agencies Republicans claim in speeches they want to defund, while they always vote them more money) has always spread antidrug propaganda by inventing such stories.
     
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    Perhaps but only a fucking tard would ask for a link to something that happened in the 60s.
     

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