http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/09/D8L9PBBG0.html What a disaster. We are never going to fix this religious mess. We need to get out, now.
The Democrats winning the house and senate will be Americas first step to the right way for the first time in a very, very, very long time. We will never fix this, but at least we don't have f*cking idiots in the house and senate forcing the issue even more. 150,000 people dead in a little more than 4 years...Hitler, we're on our way!
I just got back in March after serving 4 years in the Army, and 2 years in Iraq. I think Bush should be impeached for his lack of regards of safety alone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L T @ Nov 9 2006, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just got back in March after serving 4 years in the Army, and 2 years in Iraq. I think Bush should be impeached for his lack of regards of safety alone.</div> Wow, if you don't mind...please make a post giving your thoughts/opinions/experiences.
well first of LT let me congradulate you on your service to our country. was Iraq as bad as the media reports it is? because I've had friends who have returned and said it isn't as bad as the media has claimed, that most the people are friendly and the majory actually want to help the US and not hinder its progression.150,000 dead is a lot, and its sad that, that many people had to die. but by no means is it anywhere close to what Hitler did. Hitler killed in the tens of millions of citizens. also, a lot of those citizens were killed by insergents, not the US military. the Insergency has taken to attacking the Iraqi citizens to try and turn them to their cause.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Nov 9 2006, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>well first of LT let me congradulate you on your service to our country. was Iraq as bad as the media reports it is? because I've had friends who have returned and said it isn't as bad as the media has claimed, that most the people are friendly and the majory actually want to help the US and not hinder its progression.150,000 dead is a lot, and its sad that, that many people had to die. but by no means is it anywhere close to what Hitler did. Hitler killed in the tens of millions of citizens. also, a lot of those citizens were killed by insergents, not the US military. the Insergency has taken to attacking the Iraqi citizens to try and turn them to their cause.</div>I know, that was just a huge and stupid exaggeration...I actually meant to say saddam. my bad.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 9 2006, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, if you don't mind...please make a post giving your thoughts/opinions/experiences.</div>Sure man. I will give some details tonight when I get home from work.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Nov 9 2006, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>well first of LT let me congradulate you on your service to our country. was Iraq as bad as the media reports it is? because I've had friends who have returned and said it isn't as bad as the media has claimed, that most the people are friendly and the majory actually want to help the US and not hinder its progression.150,000 dead is a lot, and its sad that, that many people had to die. but by no means is it anywhere close to what Hitler did. Hitler killed in the tens of millions of citizens. also, a lot of those citizens were killed by insergents, not the US military. the Insergency has taken to attacking the Iraqi citizens to try and turn them to their cause.</div>LT what was your MOS, and what part of Iraq was you in?Iraq isn't that bad at all, but lots of it depends on your job while you are there. If you work on helicopters, stay on the air field most of the day, and only leave when your sitting door gunner then Iraq is definately bad at all. For the most part the country likes america, but every operating base you are at has the people that dont like them near by. The worst part of Iraq is crossing into the country from Kuwait. There is a little town on the border, and pretty much every convoy into Iraq goes through the same town. As soon as you cross into Iraq, all these hungry people start jumping onto your Convoys and trucks trying to get food, steal monetary items, take anything they think might be of value. The problem is, in the crowd there are people holding weapons that don't like americans. It gets hard to tell if someone has a gun, or a weapon when all those are there trying to jump onto your convoys.As for the civilian death total in Iraq, I don't know if those numbers are completely accurate or not. I do know the U.S. Military and a few of the allies there with us, which by the way, there are Australian military elements in Iraq with us, was not the only cause for those deaths. Lots of these people have died, have died from IED's on the side of the road that they have blown up when they walk by. They have died from being getting strapped with c4 and sent to talk to our army. They have died, because the terrorists kill them, and then try to make it look like the U.S. troops are responsible for these actions. I personally don't believe that U.S has caused anywhere near 150,000 civilian deaths in Iraq.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Nov 11 2006, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally don't believe that U.S has caused anywhere near 150,000 civilian deaths in Iraq.</div>I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that US troops are responsible for the majority of those Iraqi deaths. Americans may not have directly killed those people, but indirectly? Surely our presence in Iraq, and the resulting destabilization, is largely responsible for the lion?s share of 150k deaths. This summer I met the son of one of our clients. He was a Marine and had just been honorably discharged after 4 years. I would never ask about a soldier or marine?s personal feelings about the war, nor would I express mine. I did ask him why he got out. He told me he had been to Iraq twice and had seen too many people killed and seriously wounded. He said the second time was worse, because what hope to accomplish in Iraq seemed beyond ridiculous and not worth it to him. He felt his luck had held out twice, but he couldn?t risk it again. When I heard him say that I immediately asked how many other first term guys were getting out. He told me he figured well over 75% of first term Marines were getting out. I asked him about the Sergeants and Staff Sergeants, those who would be more apt to be viewing the Marines as a long term career, were they getting out. He said they were getting out too. He said not at the 75% rate, but that they were getting out. He told me that his Gunny Sgt. was getting out after like 14 years in, Gunnys with 14 years getting out seems to me to be pretty telling.
I know I have been to both Iraq and Afghanistan before, and I can tell you right now that I'm not worried about going to either one. There was nothing fearsome, or bad about Iraq that I saw. Now that has alot to do with the type of camp I was at, and what I was doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, but still I wasn't worried about it at all. Infact, I worry more about here in the States than what I did in Iraq. When I got back to the States with the 4th ID, my unit had more people die in America in the first two months here, than my unit had die the whole time we was in Iraq. We was there for a full year, I was only there for about six months because I just got out of training, but my unit was there for a full year. That 75% was that his personel feelings, or is there actual statistics to back that up, because I don't really believe that amount of first enlistements are getting out of the Marines after their four years.
