Here are the advanced stats from basketball-reference.com: Team NetRtg: 111.5-107.4 = +4.1 Player NetRtg (with at least 500 minutes) Lopez: +21 Matthews: +8 Batum: +7 Lillard: +6 Aldridge: +4 TEAM AVERAGE: +4 Freeland: +2 Wright: +1 Robinson: -2 Williams -8 Thoughts: I like NetRtg because it's simple to understand and yet highly relevant. However, WS/48 may be more meaningful, but I'm looking for general trends not Player X is better than Player Y when the data is close. No one on the bench had at or above Team NetRtg. Lopez is awesome. Williams is not.
Net rating is kind of a bad metric, simply because Lillard and LMA play a lot more minutes with the bench players than Matthews and Lopez, which impacts their net rating as a team negatively. It's dependent on who is on the court. On/Off is a much better stat to use, IMO, because it shows how the team performs with an individual player as well as any stat we have. On/Off for the starters Batum +5.4 Matthews +3.6 LMA +8.8 Lopez +6.3 Lillard +6.5
On/Off for the primary bench players. Mo -4.9 Robinson -10.3 Wright -1.3 Leonard -17 Freeland -2.5 McCollum -7.2 Barton -7.2 Watson -3.9 Claver +3.4
Hmmm. How is On/Off measured? If it's simply On - Off, wouldn't that have the same problem? btw, what's your opinion on WS/48?
Batum has better overall stats than I thought he would. I have to say the critics on here were right on Mo. Will be interesting to see these next year with more players contributing.
On/Off isn't dependent on who you're on the court with, like Ortg/Drtg are as a player. For example, Lopez is so high because he literally rarely or never had to play with Robinson/Leonard/McCollum/Barton, and was typically always on the court with Lillard and LMA. WS/48 is a better stat than net rating, IMO, but for measuring a player's impact individually on a team, I think On/Off is the best one to use. No stat is perfect, though, and you're repped for posting some advanced stats! That's been my thing here for years, and I enjoy diving into advanced stats.
Let me put it another way. Any stat that shows that Lopez and Matthews are better players than LMA/Lillard is skewed by who is on the floor with those players. Wes and Lopez are almost never on the court without either LMA or Lillard, and usually both.
Posted in another thread, but thought it was important for the "TRADE LMA!!!" idiocy we'll see in a few months. LMA was +19.5 On/Off for the playoffs. Anybody with eyeballs knows that the Blazers were holding on to stay in the game when he wasn't on the court. Lillard was +6.5 for the playoffs, which was basically his season's total. LMA was +8.8 for the regular season. Sometimes I wonder if Blazer fans have some sort of self-destructive gene which causes them to try and run the best player on the team out of Portland.
It was when LMA scored 40 points twice and people said, "See? He should just play like that every night!" that made me slam my head into my desk to get relief. You wanna talk about entitlement in a fanbase. We are AWFUL to our good players, and even worse to our great ones. And LaMarcus is one of the great Blazers.
Yeah, hearing that LMA played like crap against the Spurs when he averaged 22/11 for the series makes this place intolerable. When you really read the posts, though, it's only about 5 posters bashing him over and over.
He was great. He did run a little cold on the shooting at times, but who can expect him to put up 40pts every game. I guess its possible, but highly unlikely. Overall I think he and Lillard had a great playoff push.
Nobody played well against San Antonio. The on/off for the playoffs aren't a made-up number, though. The team was remarkably worse with LMA on the bench. It was painful to watch at times, because if the bench stayed even, I considered it a victory. Unfortunately, more often than not, when LMA went out, a 4-6 point deficit would balloon to 10-14. During the Houston series, LMA was able to make up the ground the bench lost. Against the Spurs, it was impossible, because the Portland bench was just awful.
if you like WS you can see it's pretty glaringly obvious we have a huge drop from Starters to Bench. 6-10 looks like a tier to me, then 11-15 is another significant drop. Meyers ranked better than anyone wants to admit?
