...oh snap !...no, that's not the "flawed logic" I'm talking about, but you already knew that, right? ..."slow working old brain"?...nice. ...would you really like to revisit it again?...would you like me to refresh your memory by copying and pasting your comments and mine one more time?...or would you prefer to just let it go?
I don't need to let anything go. You have a good enough history of this. It's the your opinion is the only one mentality. I feel the roster is flawed and that this is not a very good team. As it stands next year looks like it will be worse unless they spend another ridiculous amount of money. Maybe we can go take $200 million in contracts from the Phillies and that will do the trick.
...uhhh, it's not "my opinion"...you made flawed statements and I countered them with facts each time. ...again, would you like me to refresh your memory by copying and pasting or would you like to let it go?
Your opinions are not facts no matter how badly you want them to be. Using the 2013 Red Sox as an example but ignoring the previous twenty championships is far from factual. It's like saying what the New York Giants did in 2007 is the expected NFL norm.
...and claiming FACTS are OPINIONS no matter how badly you want them to be is not going to change the truth. ...are you seriously claiming that I did not counter your claims with FACTS, and instead only used my OPINION? ...try going back and start reading with post #17 thru #33. ...if my actual FACTS do not sink in, rinse and repeat as often as necessary and feel free to continue to confuse them with opinions.
You used the Boston Red Sox as your alleged fact. When I mentioned what Lester and Lackey did in the post season you only wanted to talk regular season.
...no, nothing "alleged" about it, and that's not the way it went down, not at all...but you already knew that too, didn't you?...now try rereading post #33. ...here, I'll copy and paste it for you; =============================== "...I only brought up last year's Red Sox because you first said, "Because over the course of the season it has been proven in MLB that you need pitching to win."...remember? ...I brought up the Sox as an example to show you how flawed your logic is/was." ================================= ...after pointing out your flawed logic, you were the one who then clearly tried to cherry pick and went from a "season" to "post season"...do you deny that?
What the hell have I just been saying? So if 99% something happens the logic is flawed because of a team like the 2013 Red Sox? Like I mentioned how about the prior 20 years? They don't count? Not to mention I will say it again. If the Red Sox don't get the pitching performances they did then they don't win it all.
...I have no idea what you are talking about now...sounds like more of the same, feeble damage control. ...no one EVER said pitching was not important, least of all me, but the Red Sox regular season pitching was not that good (14th) and without their potent offense (1st), last year's Sox may not have even made it to the PS.
The Red Sox the Red Sox the Red Sox. That's all you have is one team. The sport existed prior to the 2013 Red Sox.
...no, for the umpteenth time, do you even remember why I brought up the Red Sox regular season in the first place? ...how many times do I have to repost it?...here it is again, try to keep up; "...I only brought up last year's Red Sox because you first said, "Because over the course of the season it has been proven in MLB that you need pitching to win."...remember? ...you need pitching to win?...well, no shit. ...Boston was simply used to show that it's not always the most important thing...why can't you grasp this simple concept?...or is it intentional?...are you purposely acting obtuse? ...I clearly showed that Boston, while they had a mediocre ERA (14th) last year, they also had and exceptional offense. (1st)... They bludgeoned other teams. It was only then that you shifted to the "PS".
Which then brings me to what was the point in the first place. This Yankee team doesn't have the pitching nor do they have the offense to bludgeon anybody. Over the course of 162 games it's not going to work as things stand right now. You can't have Tanaka and a bunch of shit thrown against the wall as your starting staff and a thrown together offense and expect success over the long haul. Win a handful then lose a handful. Win a handful and then lose handful. It's not supernatural. It's how this team is constructed.
Something tells me this shit is not going to end anytime soon. In other news..................................................................................................
The Yanks have enough pitching to win the AL East and the ALDS provided they dont face Detroit or Oakland. They do not have pitching at this time to win a 7 games series. But we haven't yet to see the day to day September roster. Put this pissing match on hold for 2 months.
Of the 109 World Series contested only 23 out of 109 teams have had better hitting than pitching. In the divisional era 9 out of 43 teams have had better hitting than pitching. I'll leave it to whatever you want to conclude from that.
...lol, well, it appears you FINALLY went back and actually read what had been said. ...first off, you finally admit that your premise was based on "the course of 162 games" and not just the PS. (see your cherry picked Red Sox comment after I pointed to the 2013 Sox having mediocre pitching but an awesome offense) ...It was also based on you insisting the Yanx main problem as being with their pitching. I pointed out that while their pitching has not been great, the more obvious problem thus far has been with their offense. (scoring only 4 runs or less in 30 of the 47 games play so far) Again, these are FACTS, and not simply my "opinion", as you claimed. ...secondly, Your original claim was that "Over the course of 162 games it's not going to work."....NOW, you've finally amended that statement to "Over the course of 162 games it's not going to work as things stand right now. This translates to "As things stand right now the Yanx pitching isn't very good". Gee, I'm pretty sure that everyone is well aware of that. ...I also see that while you insist that teams can't win over the course of regular season, you're still pointing to PS stats to try to prove it, and that's laughable. (this is why the 2013 Sox stats were first used) And what you're still failing to grasp is that there IS NO POST SEASON for any team if they don't play well enough during the REGULAR SEASON to qualify for the PS.
...what is "what you said to begin with"? ...and no, I'm not "obsessed" with anything, least of all the 2013 Red Sox. I originally used them only as an example before you shifted from "the course of a season" to PS only. You then tried again shift gears by pointing to the Rays, but I again disproved your statement with actual FACTS. Like I said, earlier, you've been in damage control for awhile now, but it's too late. 1. I'll ask again, have you not yet figured out why exactly why and when I used the Sox as an example? 2. ...and can you dispute my "FACTS" or not? 3. ...can you dispute anything I said in my previous post? 4. ...can you dispute anything I've stated in this thread? ...and please don't ask if I can dispute anything you've said...because I already have, several times...with actual "FACTS"...and you know it.
I stated the Red Sox post season as an example that they still needed their pitching to perform well in order to win. I've also stated statistical facts over the history of the sport which proves the pitching point as well. My original point in all of this is that without a pitching staff you're not going to succeed. You brought up the 2013 Red Sox who are a proven anomaly of a team when you look at most other years.
