I can almost, sorta, kinda talk myself into a trade for Hibbert, but man he really turned in some bed-shitting performances after the all-star break. Saying "it's just a confidence thing" doesn't make it much more palatable ... and actually it makes it worse. On paper he's probably an upgrade over Lopez, but for that much money I guess I want a guy that's a little safer; a mental midget at 13 million per year, is a little rich for my blood.
Bingo, thanks. Denny can't admit being wrong. We'd possibly throw in an unprotected pick and one of CJ, TRob, etc while giving them salary relief. Likely have a 3rd team involved. Is it their best offer? Maybe not, but for a possible one year rental its not ridiculously stupid as Denny implies with his LeBron example. We certainly aren't required to part with a starter, the salary is easy to match up.
If we trade a starter for Hibbert its a high risk move for a small possible upgrade. There is a chance its an epic failure if he continues to play like Thabeet. There's risk even if he plays at an all-star level it doesn't fit with our other starters as well as Lopez. Roy has had conditioning and Asthma problems since he enteted the league. He's always been awkward offensively with less skills than Rolo. If I'm risking blowing up this team it needs to have a chance of making us a contender. I don't think Hibbert does that.
You quoted me out of context. I specifically said it would take a trade that would leave a hole in the starting lineup. That implies no 2-for-2 kind of trade to replace Wes or whoever you end up sending out to satisfy the cap requirements and Indy's acceptable return in the trade.
Did Hibbert outplay any center in the playoffs? I saw Antic render him ineffective, Gortat handily outplayed him, and Bosh outplayed him. He has major defensive problems against small ball lineups. He is inefficient offensively. Don't get me wrong he is a beast at shot blocking around the rim and I'd love to add a player like that. But just as with Theo Ratliff that doesn't make you a well rounded big minute starter. It makes you a valuable roll player.
We don't have to send out any starter to satisfy cap requirements and that's a fact. I was pointing out your error where you were wrong. If you think we have to send out two starters to match Indiana talent requirements thats your opinion. That very well may be the case and if so I would hope the Blazers have zero interest in a Roy trade.
I am reasonably sure the Knicks would do this deal, and it would be one the Blazers would have to beat. If Indy wanted to get rid of Hibbert, this deal makes sense in that Chandler has one less year on his contract, and he wouldn't hurt the team's chances of trying to unseat the Heat next season. This is just one obvious suitor for Hibbert. Check out the "reality calls" thread.
I specifically wrote the Blazers would have to come up with salaries to balance the trade. Period. Second sentence - you will end up with a hole in the roster. Period. If that is wrong, feel free to show me where the CBA FAQ (or your choice of sources) says so.
You're now bouncing back and forth. Lol. Coming up with salaries to balance the deal is different than quality to make Indiana accept.
Did Rolo outplay any center in the playoffs? I like Rolo . . . but that is the position I think the Blazers can upgrade the easiest. For as much as Rolo has chemistry and does the little things, he is slow footed and has hands of stone. He has turned into a solid starting center, but he has a ceiling that is much lower than Hibbert's, IMO. If the Blazers want to keep LA, they have to take another step this coming up year. Taking a risk on Hibbert may be just the step that will make LA resign . . . or go away depending on how Hibbert pans out. But keeping the team intact and adding an MLE is unlikely going to take this team to the WCF and I wonder if LA will think it's time to move on.
One aspect of Hibbert I like, or defensive philosophy left Lopez to single cover opponent boss, and to drop into lane on pick and roll. If our philosophy was to show on pick, I'd be worried about him being too slow. If we constantly doubled, I'd think why bother. But on defense, what we ask Robin to do we would get a big boost with Roy.
But let's not forget the rapport these two have. LA and Hibbert. They could be a pretty decent defensive front court. And rebounding
What concerns me about Hibbert is that, if I understood correctly, in his midseason complaints about his selfish teammates, he was complaining about not getting enough touches. How happy would he be as fifth fiddle on the Blazers after LaMarcus, Dame, Wes, and Batum? Also, someone (I forgot who) commented that Hibbert is buds with LaMarcus. True? I don't think Olshey should give any thought to bringing in Hibbert unless LaMarcus green lights it, either way. One would think players have a pretty good idea about potential chemistry with other players. Hibbert surely killed his overall value this post season. Still, there are probably GMs or owners out there who will covet him like a DPOY Allstar. It would be cool if we could get him without giving up a starter or Trob (but not likely). Meyers looks like he'd fit in in Indiana!
Ha, ha. I made my post before seeing yours. (My memory isn't that bad, honest.) How do we know they are buds?
I used rapport which is different than having a real relationship because I don't know but they've been caught tweeting each other. And no sweat on the apparent short term mem
Did any of you not catch Hibbert quickly throwing teammates under the bus during their post all-star downfall? He's a mental midget on a max contract. Just be thankful we dodged this 7'2" bullet.
That wouldn't save Indy any salary to sign Lance and use the MLE this summer. NY is going to try and use cap space next summer, I don't think they'd want to have a max contract Hibbert still on their cap for possibly two years. You are wrong, period. Blazers don't have to send out any stater to acquire Hibberts salary in a trade. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oel8qqr Obviously draft picks and other assets would go to Indy.
Call the Heat. They'll surely give up LeBron for that haul. Philly is raped in your proposed trade. Period. It isn't a matter of right or wrong. It is a matter of opinion. You think you can trade players 9-14 off the bench of a team with a weak bench for an all star. I disagree. NY would want to have Hibbert as their C until he's too old to play anymore. IMO.
