This is more realistic. I don't know if Indy does it, still. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kujczxp
It's absolutely amazing how quickly people forget about multiple seasons worth of good play because of one half-season of shitty play.
because others share concerns that you dont? Please... I highly doubt that anyone in here doesnt realize what he had done. when Roy didnt have it anymore, no one forgot what he had done in the years prior... (Yes I know his was injuries, and Hibbert's issues appear to be more mental) doesnt mean you could afford to keep him around with his new lack of production. Jamal Mgloire had 3 seasons of similar numbers to Hibbert too... but never seemed to get back into that form after his decline. Should he have been viewed as an integral part of teams based on those 3 years prior?
and sorry for not being a huge part of the conversation after being part in the beginning. Havent been feeling great the last couple days.
I have concerns about Hibbert. That's why I said it's a high risk/high reward move. Brandon Roy didn't have menisci. That's a far cry from a player who has a drop in production for half of an All-Star season. This isn't a decline in athleticism or skill. This is a decline mentally. We don't know the reasoning, but it's not like he magically stopped having the talent. We've seen other players have a dip in production, only to go someplace else and rediscover themselves.
From the other perspective, some articles make it sound like Indy and Hibbert may have had enough of each other. If Indy wants Hibbert (and his attitude and his breach of keeping things in house) out of that locker room next year . . . Indy will have a tough task trying to trade a high maintenance max player who underachieved in the playoffs, complains about touches and can opt out after next year. What team will want to give up valuable assets for that? Any team that does must understand they are taking a huge risk.
I didnt say you dont have those concerns. To some the risk might be worth the reward, and thats fine. I was taking issue with the comment on people forgetting Hibbert's seasons before. I know Roy's was injuries, and to me the losing whatever "it factor" you may have had, is concerning when its not physical, and you are that big and talented. Just my opinion though. And yes players do reinvent themselves at times, and then players like Magloire who I mentioned, who just never return to what they had. (for the record I do think Hibbert is better than Magloire)
Maybe he is high maintenance or maybe the rumors were true and someone fucked his wife and that is why he collapsed. If one of your teammates bangs your wife that does not make you high maintenance.
Sorry Hibbert's strength in protecting the rim. He is a great low post defender and shot blocker, LA on the other hand sucks at pick and roll and he sucks at getting out on bigs with range. Basically LA's defense is not good enough to pair him with someone like Hibbert defensively.
What makes him high maintenance is that when he had a beef with players he went public with it . . . and part of the beef seemed to be that he wasn't getting enough touches. Then he goes on the court and appears to cope an attitude as he turns into a completely different player (for the worse). That is high maintenance in my book (being cheated on or not)
Where did he specifically complain about touches? Not disagreeing with you, just have seen that said a few times here and elsewhere, and hadn't seen it specifically, only saw his complaints about guys being selfish.
I can't say he specifically said that. I think if you look at the timing of his statements, it was when he wasn't producing offensively and was being questioned about it when he came out with the statements of guys being selfish. So I probably assumed that he was explaining his lack of production with guys being selfish and basically not passing him the ball. (Also, maybe by reading it here it put into my mind he was complaining about touches.) Roy is hard to figure out. I remember when the Blazers were going to make an offer I looked into him. At the time he was known not just for stepping up his game in the playoffs, but also for being a great community guy. Apparently he was very involved in the local community and embraced and was/is loved by Indy citizens. So this Hibbert who caused locker room turmoil (pretty sure he did that) seems so out of character to the player who loved the city and the Pacer organization.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24508932/pacers-roy-hibbert-after-recent-loss-some-selfish-dudes-in-here Although he talks about not getting the ball, he also talks about the lack of ball movement in the offense, and how it affects all the bigs. Taken in context, he's correct. I don't know if his recent (lack of) play is like when Kome takes a quarter off and refuses to shoot the ball at all because he wants to make a point, or if the rumored teammate nailing his wife story is true, or whatever. A frank conversation with him by someone he trusts (maybe LaMarcus?) might clear up the concerns posted on this board for a GM thinking about making a play for him (or not).
Yeah, this is all I had seen from him, and so when I keep reading how he is demanding touches, well, I just don't take that away from that quote. He specifically talks about ball movement, keeping it moving. Not saying I need more shots. Maybe he'd like our flow offense more than whatever Indy is doing? Who knows. I just don't have a problem with anything he says there, and don't see him being selfish.
Basically: selfish teammates, no ball movement, and bigs working hard but not getting any touches (and their resulting lack of production makes them look bad), equals bad basketball.
Still can't admit you were wrong? Show a little class and stop trolling our board whoever you are. I said the Blazers could easily match salary for Hibbert and provided examples of such. You are wrong. Period. Go to a Bulls forum and talk about how great your euro is along with the untouchable golden Charlotte pick.
Yeah its rather odd. Its like I corrected him for calling his red car blue and now hes yelling at me that Ford's are better than Chevys?
God, anyone that thinks this place is homer central needs to look at any BE article about trading for a player like this http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/6/3...d-trail-blazers-indiana-pacers-trade#comments
