Shooting at Reynolds High School

Actually, on a ship, a magazine is where we store the 5" rounds.

 

And a green laser.

And an aimpoint.

And a Magpul stock.

 

Giving teachers guns is completely idiotic. My mom was a teacher as are several relatives. I've dated teachers & am friends with others. I can't think of one of them or any of my past teachers that I would feel good about packing heat. Not one. Many I would feel very unsafe about knowing that they were.

How about instead of trying out wingnut policies that barely anyone supports, we try out what practically the whole country supports like universal background checks?

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I agree about arming teachers. I don't think it would realistically work, and even if it did, would it have prevented what happened today? Probably not.

I just don't think that universal background checks is going to have the results that people want. Great, we do universal background checks, but how does that stop the kid from stealing his dad's gun? How does that stop the friend from breaking into your house and stealing your rifle that he knows you keep under your bed? It doesn't. I don't think it stops any of these shootings.

We need to treat the problem, and guns are not the problem. The problem is mentally deranged children who decide to kill their classmates. We need to do a better job of identifying these kids, and treating them. Parents need to do a better job of paying attention to their children. We need to stop this problem at the source. Figure out why these kids are getting to the point where they are ready to kill people, and then figure out how to prevent that from happening. It's the only way.

 

it blows my mind that so many people have their head in the sand on this topic of mental health for our citizen.


I want every single one of you to do a police ride-along. You'll get a great new respect for how many people are 'crazy'.

 

I enjoy reading peoples differing options on this, but I know what I feel. Like I said before I was trained and used many different weapons for four years while I'm the army.

I'm curious how many of you supporters of people being able to have guns have any real life experiences with tragedies like what happened today? I can tell you it changes how you feel. My sophomore year in HS a kid was shot and killed at out school right before a track meet. It was a one on one gang related death and it shook us.
The following year a very close friend of ours was gunned down at a kegger we were having at a park. One on one gang related as well.
And finally one week after HS graduation a very good friend of mine was gunned down on the corner of NE 15th and Alberta. Gang related one on one.

These tragedies have put a lasting impression on my beliefs about why anyone would "need" a gun in their lives.


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I get what you're saying HCP, but there isn't a magic wand that fixes this.

You can't say, "all guns are gone!" and *poof* we magically have no more guns in the United States.

The fact is, for a lot of Americans, their second amendment right is a line in the sand. If you try to take their guns, they will fight. So let me ask you, and I'm being serious, do you want to see this country thrust into a civil war over the right to bear arms? There are a lot of people who consider our 2nd amendment right as the only thing that keeps us from being completely controlled by the government, and they will fight and die if necessary to protect that right. I'm just being honest because I know people who feel that way. They will go to war if the government tries to take their guns. It's that serious to them.

 

Stuff like this could be said for many laws that we have currently, and while no law is ever going to be 100% effective, saying why bother because people will still do it is a silly response in my opinion. Why bother with DUI laws, when people still drive drunk every day? Do we get rid of the laws, and instead try to get to the real root of what makes someone drive drunk?
You say people wouldn't follow the laws about locking up their guns, trigger locks, etc. Why not? A vast majority of gun owners are perfectly normal law abiding citizens. All of a sudden they'll choose to break the law? I don't think so. Some will. But, when one does and something happens, and people with guns see that individual punished for not protecting his gun, then mayb they start thinking about following the law.
Yes, we do need to find what makes kids flip like that. But to sit and do nothing while you try to "get to the root of the problem" doesn't make any sense to me. People do evil shit. They have since the beginning of time, and they will continue to. Some people came up with decent laws that you quickly dismiss because they won't be 100% effective, but how do you do something about it then? Figuring out how to prevent them at the root is just fluffy bullshit and kicking the can down the road. How are you going to identify someone? How are you going to "treat" them? Lock them up? Pump more pills in them? Give their families a bunch of money so both parents don't have to work? Find them friends so they don't feel like an outcast?

 

I'll take that 5.56 and raise you a 7.62



A .223 (5.56x45) that is a standard AR-15 round vs. a .308 (7.62x51) which is a standard AR-10 round:



The .223 is on my keychain and was a gift from my FFL dealer.

 

I don't mind that. I just bought mine because I love target shooting and hunting and just love guns in general. And maybe self defense if shit hits the fan.

 

I probably shouldn't have posted that though, I know people are probably a little on edge right now as it is :/ my apologies.

 

Im a gun owner AND I have a penis. Never killed or raped anyone. Defended

 

DUI laws have nothing to do with regulating alcohol. They specifically address driving while intoxicated. It's a law to punish people who drive drunk. And yet, it doesn't prevent jack shit. Tons of people drive drunk, or buzzed, or whatever you want to call it. All the DUI laws do is punish the people who get caught. We already do that with people who shoot other people. It's called murder and we put them away for life.

So why would you think passing laws about guns would have any effect whatsoever? They already tried prohibition, and it led to a huge crime wave. They've also tried outlawing drugs, and yet there are people smoking weed and other things by the millions.

Do you want to know the truth? We are numb to people dying in auto accidents. Two teenagers died in a car wreck from West Linn a couple nights ago. Is anyone freaking out? Is anyone demanding reform on driving laws? Nope. People die every day, and people are killed every day, but we have come to accept auto accidents as part of life. Why? Why does drunk driving draw less ire from the populace than shootings? They're both deadly weapons. They both kill innocent people.

The biggest difference? One was an accident, the other was intentional. So why do we blame guns and not cars? Cars are incredibly dangerous, probably more than we give them credit, but we always blame the driver. The driver is the asshole who drank and drove. The driver was the jackass who fell asleep at the wheel and killed someone. We pass laws to punish the driver of the vehicle because that's where the blame lies.

Honestly, you want my opinion? Teach firearm safety in public schools. Expose kids to guns so they understand them better. Stop trying to hide them like they don't exist and allow kids to pick them up and hold them in a safe environment. Bring police officers into schools and teach firearm safety. I know it will never happen, but I think it would be a good idea to at least lower the deaths from accidents.

Also, we need to stop spending money on wars and start investing in schools. I honestly think that smaller class sizes would help put a stop to things like this. It would allow teachers to focus on individual students more. If parents can't be as involved in their kids lives, we need to make it possible for teachers to get more involved. This will only happen if we increase funding to schools so we can lower class sizes and increase extracurricular activities. Give them something to do. Stop taking away things like band, theater, and debate, and start giving kids a way to express themselves.

We are seriously staring down the barrel of a much bigger problem. We are falling down the rankings in terms of education in the world, we are climbing in obesity, and we are sending our kids out into the world unprepared to deal with reality. I think these shootings are just a symptom of a bigger problem. We need to do something now.

 

I wasn't get back into this . . . but I can't help myself.

Alcohol is highly regulated. Where and when you can buy it, where you can consume it, how you are allowed to act while intoxicated.

DUII laws and punishment can be effective. Society is very much aware of the problems of DUII and the deaths they cause and there are very powerful groups who continue to push for harder and harder punishments and treatment in hopes of preventing future deaths. Both state and federal governments spend much time and money dealing with the DUII and the innocent people that die because of it. It is unacceptable to have innocent people dying because of DUIIs and laws have responded in kind.

The big difference I see is: owning a gun is a constitutional right and thus much harder to restrict than driving which is not a right but a privilege and can be regulated without concern of the constitutional issues.

This country has and continues to progressed significantly in regulating driving and deaths caused by driving. This country has very little control and has not progressed in any significant way in regulating guns and deaths caused by guns . . . and the answer is because the gov't can strictly regulate one but not the other.

If owning a gun was a privilege instead of a constitutional right, I believe a lot of these issues could be dealt with. But it is not, the fact it is a constitutional right to own a gun very much limits what the gov't can do to try and prevent these occur like today from happening.

It is actually a very good example, in my mind, of how gov't regulation can help improve society when they are allowed.