I am going to see if my congressman can propose a constitutional amendment about cars that mirrors the 2nd amendment.
This is exactly my point. You aren't getting rid of guns. It would be easier and cheaper to build bulletproof hallways with metal detectors and scanners at every school in the country. That will stop school shootings. The problem is the lack of logic of those who want to get rid of guns somehow and expect people to all get along and no more killings to occur. Not happening. The only thing I can think of is that some kids are infatuated with guns and maybe they wouldn't knife a kid who picked on them. Who knows though?
There are two logic breakdowns, one on both sides of the argument. From the anti-gun crowd, it's not logical to think that guns have any chance at being banned and people with guns giving up those guns. Not going to happen. However, most people on the anti-gun side realize this and are actually trying to come up with other ways to curb the violence and reduce the firearm proliferation. Some want to reduce certain models from being produced, while others just want to be able to make sure legal owners are the only people getting guns by closing loopholes. From the pro-gun crowd, it isn't logical to think that fewer and better controlled guns would mean a reduction in these massacres. There is a reason why people want guns, because they are a very powerful tool. It doesn't make sense that taking away that tool would not affect the outcome of those murdered. Of course it would not halt it, but it would curb the situation. But most gun owners do realize that there are limitations already in place, and a few more carefully chosen ones might actually help us create a better society with fewer killings. I have had conversations with several gun owners in person over the past few days, and most have agreed that something needs to change. The question comes from what that change needs to be. Most likely there will need to be many small changes that will all work together to help reduce this problem. For example, a couple years ago there was an emphasis placed on teaching children that they have to report signs of danger, and there have been quite a few of tragedies averted because the youth are getting better at reporting problems instead of trusting that nothing will happen. Of course, the problem itself is worsening at a quicker rate than this one positive can help. But if we implement some common sense gun laws (not too far) along with reducing class sizes, improved school mental healthcare, and a few other fixes, we can get this problem under control. Remember back in the 80's, the gang explosions that were happening, more and more gangs and gang violence was going on, well, we got that much more under control. It still exists, but to a greatly diminished amount.
Seems like a great reason to repeal it, then. Because it doesn't work anymore. Your guns are not going to protect you from the government. If the government comes for you, they've got way more firepower than you do. Way, way more. And that's just the local sheriff. barfo
Government went after the insurgents in Iraq, the Taliban in Afghanistan. How'd that work out? Unless the government is going to nuke the masses, the masses armed with pistols and improvised land mines are more than a match for the cops and military.
You think the US government is comparable to the Iraq or Afghan government? No wonder you hate America. Yeah, sure, if say, 200 million of us revolted, that's true. But if 200 million of us revolted, we wouldn't even need guns. If a few hundred Libertarians revolt, you'll be shot down like dogs. So good luck with that. barfo
In this thread we have learned that guns are all the military needs, not cars or bombs. No guns, no killing. That big truck doesn't look like a gun.
You claimed "Your guns are not going to protect you from the government. If the government comes for you, they've got way more firepower than you do. Way, way more." You are simply wrong.
That big truck is also like the schools with metal detectors. You might be safe in it, but you have to come out sometime.
Some of y'all are taking the picture of the truck a wee bit too seriously. It was meant as comedic illustration of my point, not as the point itself. barfo
Oh, you mean like the Americans against the British? In a conventional war, our military is unmatched. Against insurgents, we run into problems. The Army is a big ass sword. An insurgency requires a scalpel. You're also assuming that our soldiers are okay with fighting against their own people. There's 313 million people in the United States. We have a little over 1.4 million in active personnel. That's not all soldiers. Just active personnel. There's another 780,000 police in the United States. So 2.2 million are supposed to suppress 313 million?
I made the winning argument. The government couldn't keep the peace in Iraq, Afghanistan, or a tiny country named Vietnam. All those countries smaller than the US and with a far less literate populace. If they can't take away the bad guys' guns in a country smaller than California (Iraq), how are they going to do it here?
No. But guess what? Not all of the 313 million want an armed insurrection, or will be on your side if you try one. In fact our guns might very well more than cancel out your guns. barfo