Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Nov 12 2006, 03:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Tahoma">1. Kevin Garnett2. Dirk Nowitzki3. Elton Brand4. Tim Duncan5. Yao Ming6. Dwight Howard7. Pau Gasol8. Jermaine O' Neal9. Ben Wallace10. Chris BoshI had to edit mine. I forgot Bosh! I took Shaq off of #10. He's too old now.</span></div><span style="font-family:Tahoma">This isn't my official list. I can't really edit it right now, though. I'm thinking Ben Wallace should be above D12 because, though Big Ben lacks in offense, he is a monsterous defensive player and those four DPoY awards can't easily be ignored. Also, CB4 should be higher, too...</span>
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men Dwight Howard is also an above average defender. Ben Wallace brings absolutely nothing to the table on offense, so I wouldnt put him in the top 10, and definately not over Howard.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 12 2006, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is ridiculous. You guys know nothing about JO and have never seen him play. I'm not biased. You can't name a single guy who looks forward to playing him. He has so many post moves, can hit the 20 footer so easily, can take it to the hole, blocks shots easily, rebounds over people easily... there's so much more I can say, but I'm not going to, I'm done with this topic, cause you guys are very ignorant.</div>yeah you're right, for some weird reason, everytime jo comes on the tv, my power shuts off. and we're all ignorant, considering you're the only one who is really arguing it. you think people look forward to playing ANY good players? jo can't hit the 20 footer easily. he can hit it, but it's not a strongpoint to his game. what guy on this list can't take it to the hole and rebound? you're being redundant.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 12 2006, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Having Bosh as low as 10th is ridiculous. Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol, Ben Wallace, and probably Jermaine O'Neal are not better than Bosh.</div>If Pau Gasol can come back and be the same player he was last year, I would put him above Bosh. You have to remember that he also gets you around 5 assists per game which is great for a 7 footer. They are both about equal at rebounding and Bosh may be just a hair better at scoring but not much....Dwight is just as good as Bosh IMO. We have already debated over this and I really dont feel like doing it again because we will just be repeating the same stuff.Jermaine is more proven than Bosh is. He has taken his team in to the playoffs and puts up great personal numbers as well. Im not saying he is better, but it shouldnt come across as "ridiculous" if Bosh is below him.Bosh is better than Ben Wallace no doubt though. I will give you that.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Nov 12 2006, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Pau Gasol can come back and be the same player he was last year, I would put him above Bosh. You have to remember that he also gets you around 5 assists per game which is great for a 7 footer. They are both about equal at rebounding and Bosh may be just a hair better at scoring but not much....Dwight is just as good as Bosh IMO. We have already debated over this and I really dont feel like doing it again because we will just be repeating the same stuff.Jermaine is more proven than Bosh is. He has taken his team in to the playoffs and puts up great personal numbers as well. Im not saying he is better, but it shouldnt come across as "ridiculous" if Bosh is below him.Bosh is better than Ben Wallace no doubt though. I will give you that.</div>They are not both equal at rebounding. That's ridiculous. Bosh is LEADING THE LEAGUE IN REBOUDING right now, whereas Pau is only good for 8-9, which is below average for a stud PF-C. Bosh's scoring was 22 ppg last year, whereas Pau scored 18 last year. Bosh has improved a ton every year since he entered the League, and I expect that number to increase. Bosh is not better offensively only by a hair...He's got a money shot, and his post game is much better. He is quicker, more athletic, and able to beat his defenders too.No, I dont see it. Like Valo said before, Bosh's offensive game is much more farther along then Dwight's. Dwight is the better rebounder, defender, and shot blocker, but Bosh is very far ahead on offense imo.Did I ever say that it would be ridiculous to put Jermaine over Chris? No. I said that Bosh is probably better then Jermaine, which is not what you are making it seem like I said at all.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Illosophee @ Nov 12 2006, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Tahoma">1. Kevin Garnett2. Dirk Nowitzki3. Elton Brand4. Tim Duncan5. Yao Ming6. Dwight Howard7. Pau Gasol8. Jermaine O' Neal9. Ben Wallace10. Chris BoshI had to edit mine. I forgot Bosh! I took Shaq off of #10. He's too old now.</span></div>How the hell do you have Tim Duncan at number 4? That's absurd. Here's my list:1. Tim Duncan2. Dirk Nowitzki3. Kevin Garnett4. Elton Brand5. Dwight Howard6. Yao Ming7. Chris Bosh8. Jermaine O'Neal9. Pau Gasol10. Amare Stoudemire (Only this low because he's not healthy)
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 12 2006, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They are not both equal at rebounding. That's ridiculous. Bosh is LEADING THE LEAGUE IN REBOUDING right now, whereas Pau is only good for 8-9, which is below average for a stud PF-C. Bosh's scoring was 22 ppg last year, whereas Pau scored 18 last year. Bosh has improved a ton every year since he entered the League, and I expect that number to increase. Bosh is not better offensively only by a hair...He's got a money shot, and his post game is much better. He is quicker, more athletic, and able to beat his defenders too.No, I dont see it. Like Valo said before, Bosh's offensive game is much more farther along then Dwight's. Dwight is the better rebounder, defender, and shot blocker, but Bosh is very far ahead on offense imo.Did I ever say that it would be ridiculous to put Jermaine over Chris? No. I said that Bosh is probably better then Jermaine, which is not what you are making it seem like I said at all.</div>okay, and pierce is averaging over 12 rpg.. just because you're rebounding well in the first few games doesn't mean he's the league's best. last year pau and bosh were dead even in rebounding. Pau also has a jumpshot, and arguably better post moves. and he has the missing dimension in post players, a passing game.just because bosh is a better scorer doesn't make him a better player than howard. like you said, howard is the better rebounder and defender, two very important aspects in the game. he is more of a presence inside than bosh.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men Yeah, but through 5 games, it's clear that Bosh will be averaging 10+ rpg. His rebounding has improved alot. Well, Bosh is the better offensive player, rebounder, and Pau is the better passer. Okay, whatever...Idk know about you, but Id rather have a polished offensive player who will give you 24 ppg, than a good defensive player who will get you 17 ppg..And Bosh will be a better rebounder this year.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men First, Gasol averaged 20ppg last year. And he could have more points but he chooses to get his teammates involved which turns into 5 assist a game. Raptors have played what 5 game at the most? So what, hes not going to get 13 a game his season, I will bet on that. And stop looking at stats so much, Mike James had pretty much the same stats as Mike Bibby, but anybody is smart enough to take Bibby over James. Gasol is the better player as of right now(if he was healthy). Just face it, I dont try to say Gasol is better than KG or Duncan, just face the truth homey.And Gasol is a better offensive player, Bosh has okay lost post moves, as for Gasols low post game is compared to Duncans.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Nov 12 2006, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>okay, and pierce is averaging over 12 rpg.. just because you're rebounding well in the first few games doesn't mean he's the league's best. last year pau and bosh were dead even in rebounding. Pau also has a jumpshot, and arguably better post moves. and he has the missing dimension in post players, a passing game.just because bosh is a better scorer doesn't make him a better player than howard. like you said, howard is the better rebounder and defender, two very important aspects in the game. he is more of a presence inside than bosh.</div>This is a tricky thing comparing the Bosh and Howard, because they are two different players. Bosh is more finesse and smoother than Howard, Howard is much more of a beast and plays rough trying to bully people. As far as who the better player is, if they played one on one, there is no doubt in my mind that Bosh would eat Howard for lunch. As far as individual players Bosh is a better player than Howard. As for who is better for your team, it really depends on what your team looks like, and what style of play you are going with. Bosh is a better big man for the fast paced teams that like to get out and run the floor. Howard can run the floor well, but Bosh is better at it. If you need a player to shoulder your scoring load, and put the ball in the basket then Bosh is the player your going to want. If you want to slow the game down a bit, and spot run liket the Magic do then Howard is your man because he is a better rebounder and controls the paint more. Overall if I was starting a team for just this one year, and wanted to form a team around either one, I would pick Bosh because he is a better scorer, he is more diverse offensively and you can run your offense through him better than you can Howard. If I wanted one for the long run, I would take Howard, because he is going to get alot better on offense and his rebounding and defense are already where you need it.Me personally, I would put Bosh ahead of Dwight Howard right now for top big men in the league.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Nov 12 2006, 04:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First, Gasol averaged 20ppg last year. And he could have more points but he chooses to get his teammates involved which turns into 5 assist a game. Raptors have played what 5 game at the most? So what, hes not going to get 13 a game his season, I will bet on that. And stop looking at stats so much, Mike James had pretty much the same stats as Mike Bibby, but anybody is smart enough to take Bibby over James. Gasol is the better player as of right now(if he was healthy). Just face it, I dont try to say Gasol is better than KG or Duncan, just face the truth homey.And Gasol is a better offensive player, Bosh has okay lost post moves, as for Gasols low post game is compared to Duncans.</div>And I'm not real sure where your getting that his game is compared to Duncans at, but he is a much different type of forward than Duncans is. Duncan plays much bigger, and tougher inside on both offense and defense than Gasol does.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Nov 12 2006, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'neal behind Yao, CB4, and Dwight Howard? that is ridiculous. JO has been a top 3 NBA player, won 61 games, and helped carved the path to the modern nba power forward/center.</div> :lmao-1: Wow. For once, try to not say something stupid.I forgot Randolph and Gasol, they are H.M.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Nov 12 2006, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is a tricky thing comparing the Bosh and Howard, because they are two different players. Bosh is more finesse and smoother than Howard, Howard is much more of a beast and plays rough trying to bully people. As far as who the better player is, if they played one on one, there is no doubt in my mind that Bosh would eat Howard for lunch. As far as individual players Bosh is a better player than Howard. As for who is better for your team, it really depends on what your team looks like, and what style of play you are going with. Bosh is a better big man for the fast paced teams that like to get out and run the floor. Howard can run the floor well, but Bosh is better at it. If you need a player to shoulder your scoring load, and put the ball in the basket then Bosh is the player your going to want. If you want to slow the game down a bit, and spot run liket the Magic do then Howard is your man because he is a better rebounder and controls the paint more. Overall if I was starting a team for just this one year, and wanted to form a team around either one, I would pick Bosh because he is a better scorer, he is more diverse offensively and you can run your offense through him better than you can Howard. If I wanted one for the long run, I would take Howard, because he is going to get alot better on offense and his rebounding and defense are already where you need it.Me personally, I would put Bosh ahead of Dwight Howard right now for top big men in the league.And I'm not real sure where your getting that his game is compared to Duncans at, but he is a much different type of forward than Duncans is. Duncan plays much bigger, and tougher inside on both offense and defense than Gasol does.</div>I never said hes conpared to Duncan as a whole, what I said was his post game is compared to Duncans. They use the same moves and just generally play alot lke each other in the post.(except for Duncans bank shot).
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Nov 12 2006, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First, Gasol averaged 20ppg last year. And he could have more points but he chooses to get his teammates involved which turns into 5 assist a game. Raptors have played what 5 game at the most? So what, hes not going to get 13 a game his season, I will bet on that. And stop looking at stats so much, Mike James had pretty much the same stats as Mike Bibby, but anybody is smart enough to take Bibby over James. Gasol is the better player as of right now(if he was healthy). Just face it, I dont try to say Gasol is better than KG or Duncan, just face the truth homey.And Gasol is a better offensive player, Bosh has okay lost post moves, as for Gasols low post game is compared to Duncans.</div>Chris Bosh shot a better percentage than Pau last year, so you cannot use that electing to pass excuse. He's not going to get 13, but Id be willing to bet he gets atleast 10 a game. He has improved his rebounding a ton, and should have another big rebounding day against the Miller-less Kings.What? Chris Bosh is more athletic, quicker, abit better shooter, and he scores more. How is Gasol the better offensive player? No, Bosh is the better offensive player, and the better player overall.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 12 2006, 04:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Bosh shot a better percentage than Pau last year, so you cannot use that electing to pass excuse. He's not going to get 13, but Id be willing to bet he gets atleast 10 a game. He has improved his rebounding a ton, and should have another big rebounding day against the Miller-less Kings.What? Chris Bosh is more athletic, quicker, abit better shooter, and he scores more. How is Gasol the better offensive player? No, Bosh is the better offensive player, and the better player overall.</div>bullsh**, your starting to piss me off.....I cant post in this thread anymore...might get banned.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 12 2006, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but through 5 games, it's clear that Bosh will be averaging 10+ rpg. His rebounding has improved alot. Well, Bosh is the better offensive player, rebounder, and Pau is the better passer. Okay, whatever...Idk know about you, but Id rather have a polished offensive player who will give you 24 ppg, than a good defensive player who will get you 17 ppg..And Bosh will be a better rebounder this year.</div>you're totally distorting the stats. 17 ppg from pau? he will get much more than that when he comes back. and pau is the better offensive player overall, as he has shown that he can pass AND score, while bosh has only shown that he can score.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men 1. Kevin Garnett - not centre2. Tim Duncan - not centre3. Dirk Nowitzki - not centre4. Yao Ming5. Elton Brand - not centre6. Chris Bosh -debatable7. Dwight Howard 8. Shaquille O'neal9. Amare Stoudemire 10. Jermaine O'nealI know its a hard list to make Sunny but that was weak bro.Where's Scabs? Where's ZO Where's Camby? Where's the Love?^^^ joking BTW
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 12 2006, 04:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, but through 5 games, it's clear that Bosh will be averaging 10+ rpg. His rebounding has improved alot. Well, Bosh is the better offensive player, rebounder, and Pau is the better passer. Okay, whatever...Idk know about you, but Id rather have a polished offensive player who will give you 24 ppg, than a good defensive player who will get you 17 ppg..And Bosh will be a better rebounder this year.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 12 2006, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was talking about Dwight Howard in my 2nd paragraph.</div>Oh well if that second paragraph is talking about Dwight Howard, then that's just stupid. Bosh from a statistical stand point might have more rebounds than Howard, but he's not the better rebounder right now, and he won't be this season.
Re: The NBA's Top Ten Big Men <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Nov 12 2006, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I was talking about Dwight Howard in my 2nd paragraph.</div>my bad. but you honestly think Bosh is a better rebounder? no way. dwight just had a 20/20 game the other day. Bosh may have had one or two great games rebounding, but he also had a game with only 5 rebounds.
