McBuckets Lovefest Thread

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  1. Vintage

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    He is a three. His athleticism, while mediocre, isn't as bad as people claim.
     
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    what more needs to be said?
     
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    I can see that frontcourt working.

    I think the book on McDoug's potential on D is that he moves his feet well and is a perceptive player so he can play in a team scheme.....but he sure ain't gonna shut people down.

    Since Thibs' defensive schemes require the wings to funnel players into certain spots, and because Taj and Noah are so great at covering ground, I'd think that frontcourt would work on a lot of different levels.

    In fact a lineup of

    Rose
    Butler
    McDermott
    Taj
    Noah

    looks pretty functional to me.
     
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    Alas, Stacey's 26 ppg wasn't close to good enough to lead the NCAA in 1988-89. The late Hank Gathers of Loyola-Marymount averaged 32.7ppg.

    Schellhase is the answer. Do I win anything?
     
  5. rosenthall

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    In fact, after thinking about it a little more, I'm inclined to lean towards Antawn Jamison/Michael Beasley (non-idiot version)/6-8 Kevin Love/Carmelo/Wally Szczerbiak as a good framework for what he'll do offensively.

    Clearly he's a better shooter than some of these guys, and a lesser athlete than others, but he seems to be in that well-rounded deliberate scorer mold that can strike from all spots on the floor.

    The key issue is what parts of his game will translate inside the three point line. He's very good moving without the ball, but I think a critical determinant to his success will be whether or not he can replicate some of his output in the box area, ala Antawn Jamison. He's not a leaper, but a very smart, instinctive player. Will he be able to consistently catch defenses off-guard, and use a quick release and different shot angles to shoot a high percentage that defenses have to respect?

    That seems like the difference between McDermott being a solid pick and a very good one.
     
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    Truth is that I think Szczerbiak is the best comparison, but I used Battier 'cause I was tired of all the white guy shit.
     
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    Of all the white guy comparisons I agree that Wally is the best. I've heard people say Kiki Vandewheghe but that's before my time so I can't say. Korver and Reddick are incredibly lazy since the only thing they really have in common are good shooting strokes.

    However, I see Doug doing more off the ball and around the paint than Wally, so I think Wally with a little bit of Antawn Jamison/Paul Pierce styling might be most appropriate.

    I'm referring to the ability to quickly read a defense and be able to use a deft shooting touch with a variety of release points, pump fakes, and shot angles to score within 15 feet.
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    You're right. Interesting list:

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    Skin color shouldn't matter. How about Fizer as a comparable?
     
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    Yeah. Watching McDermott shoot the shot out of the ball from all over the court remindsme of Fizer so much.
     
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    Fizer was an undersized PF in college that the bulls tried to transform into a SF.

    Fizer shot .357 from 3pt his last year in college on a decent # of attempts.
     
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    Fizer had 40 pounds on him. Fizer also had power post moves. And while Fizer had a good outside shot, it wasn't elite. He was a classic tweener.

    McDermott has some post game. Mostly relying on footwork, fakes, and crafty moves.McDermott is the size of a SF. I don't see as much tweener to him as there was with Fizer. And he has elite shooting skills.
     
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    I think he'd be fine at PF.

    McDermott is one of eight players with 2,750 career points and 1,000 rebounds, joining, among others, Cincinnati’s Oscar Robertson, Kansas’ Danny Manning, Indiana State’s Larry Bird, North Carolina’s Tyler Hansbrough and Loyola Marymount’s Hank Gathers.

    See more at: http://athlonsports.com/college-bas...reightons-doug-mcdermott#sthash.Z9X61rlY.dpuf

    He's going to give opposing PFs fits if the have to chase him around beyond the 3pt line. It might make Noah's job on the offensive boards easier.
     
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    In his last year in college, about 7.5% of Fizer's field goal attempts were from the 3-point line. McDermott took about 35% of his FGAs from the arc. Kind of a big difference, no?
     
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    Sure. But the bulls tried to make a SF out of him.
     
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    Yes, they took a post player with outside range and tried to turn him into a wing.

    Which is different than taking someone with natural SF skills with some post game and playing him at SF.
     
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    McDermott doesn't have SF skills. He's not going to lead a fast break, for example.
     
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    If that's the test, would you rather have Deng or McDermott lead a fast break?
     
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    Don't like the McDermott/Fizer comparison.

    Fizer really looked like a 4 to me who was shoehorned into being a perimeter player because we had Elton Brand.

    Doug's ability to play the 4 has more to do with the evolution of the NBA than something innate about his game. I think he might play some stretch 4 on offense but I see him mostly being a 3 for the first part of his career.

    I remember Fizer as being more of an inside guy/power game who had a nice outside shot, whereas McDermott is a guy who uses his perimeter mastery to help him find ways to score inside.
     
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    Deng. He played SF in college and the pros.

    If you watch any Lu highlight reels, tho, you'll see he looks at his feet while he dribbles. Head down and drive. Not excellent fundamentals by ant stretch.
     

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