SCOTUS Rules employers do not have to provide contraception

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  1. Sinobas

    Sinobas Banned User BANNED

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    They are not imaginary issues, you are simply not grasping the issue at all. I think you're being deliberately obtuse, just like the warden in the Shawshank Redemption.
     
  2. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yes, and that is the point of constitutional challenges to laws. If a law is perceived to be in violation of the constitution, the affected party has the right to have their concern addressed. And that's what happened here.

    What are you arguing about?
     
  4. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    No, you don't grasp the issue at all. See how easy that kind of argument is?

    The court is not denying anyone birth control. Period.

    If a woman wants to go buy pills, she can go buy them. If she wants to go to a doctor and get a prescription, she can. Walk in clinic is $15, the pills are $9/month. Boo fucking hoo.

    Contraceptives for men were never covered by ObamaCare for some odd reason.
     
  5. Sinobas

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    That's your ideology, but it doesn't change the fact that laws should not be circumvented by religion. An employer can't just say, "Hey I don't want to pay my employees this month, if they don't like it they can go somewhere else". They could start their own "don't pay your employees" cult that was rooted in a 3,000 year old religion and it wouldn't make one god damn bit of difference. They're breaking the law, and they gotta pay.
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    Why should YOU tell anyone else what they must do?

    You wouldn't like it if you were the one being told to do something you don't want to do.

    I could care less about the religion. I hope it dies and goes away. But the 1st is the 1st.
     
  7. MarAzul

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    You have got it backward sir.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

    See! There is to be no law passed that gets in the way.
     
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    oldmangrouch persona non grata

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    Why should Hobby Lobby....a fictional legal construct and not even a human being? You are granting a corporation power you admit neither government nor person should excercise.

    Phooey. We are just going in circles at this point.
     
  9. Sinobas

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    The court took away their coverage. And you know that some women are allergic to the pill and use an IUD which can cost up to $1,000. But the central issue here is principal and the precedent this sets. The total illogic of it and the abuse of judicial power. But anyway, we're just talking in circles here.
     
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    hobby lobby can suck my balls

    but we are just conversing in a circular manner
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    Hobby Lobby isn't and can't forbid its employees to use birth control.
     
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    Boo fucking hoo, like I said.

    $15 for a walk in clinic, $9/month for the pill.
     
  13. The_Lillard_King

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    I wonder if a corporation's health insurance program that employees 100s if not 1000s of females and no longer has to cover contraceptives like IUD, if the premiums drop. Because if they do and I own a corporation, I just became very religious.
     
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    That's start. What are you now?
     
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    Well I was raised catholic, but currently have my own personal faith . . .

    But if I own a corporation and being religious saves me money . . . I convert
     
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  16. Sinobas

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    Wow, this guy is like a wind up doll, you've got nothing beyond your radio talk-show talking points do you? haha!
     
  17. Denny Crane

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    Hobby Horse should chuck their really good employee insurance and pay the much cheaper $2000 per employee penalty. Then all those people can have shitty ObamaCare plans with $5000 deductibles.

    You're as wrong about my listening to talk radio (I don't at all) as you are about this decision.
     
  18. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I guess we'll have to wait and see.
    http://www.startribune.com/business/265914741.html
     
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    BlazerCaravan Hug a Bigot... to Death

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    Capitalism is a religion of intolerance and sociopathy... you could start there and see if it gives you enough extra rights.
     
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    I still see no answer as to why Hobby Lobby had no problem providing contraceptives in their health plan for years, until the Affordable Care Act. If Jesus hates birth control, doesn't he hate birth control when it's just corporate health care, too? Or does Jesus only hate Obamacare?
     

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