Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in contention

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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content


    This report is more consistent with the Rose we (kinda) know. He's right...it's not his job. This said, it was good that he was polite enough to say howdy to Anthony when he saw him.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    Ralphb07 wrote:

    The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

    From Realgm. This guy has sources.

    Thread: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1332476&start=1800
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    That makes sense. I can't imagine you'd want both Gasol and Gibson.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    We dodged a bullet.

    Devin Harris is signing with the Mavs.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    They had interest in Augustin.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...free-agency-spt-0706-20140706,0,6386349.story

    KC saying what many Bulls fans have said since the news broke that LA is now in the running. Good news for Bulls fans, well possible good news. If Melo wants to come here, he can tell Jackson trade me to the Bulls for a reasonable trade or I go to LA. (They can pay him out right)
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    If I'm PJax and he says he's leaving for LA if they won't trade him to the Bulls, I'd tell him, "you'll like living in LA."

    I really don't get why LA's interest would push PJax to make a trade he doesn't want to make.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    It assumes that Jackson's worst nightmare is losing Anthony for cap space (often erroneously referred to by fans and media as "nothing"). If he finds the cap space attractive, he'd do exactly as you predict.

    I'm with you on this one...the Lakers involvement doesn't make me more optimistic.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    I would too! Kobe wont last much longer. Then what? Melo be the man there? Maybe. Hope not.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content


    Pressure would come from Melo. Threatening to leave for nothing. Bulls are willing to offer some compensation back.

    Maybe that won't budge Phil. I dont know.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    There's no purpose to paying the LT just for the sake of it. It's not like they're trying to keep a Luol Deng or Ben Gordon. it's more like they'd be paying the LT so they could keep PJ Brown on the roster.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    What's "more like they'd be paying the LT so they could keep PJ Brown on the roster?" I'm confused.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    To take back salaries for players who they really don't want or need (like us and PJ for the one year). For the sake of getting "something" in return for Melo.

    Examples where it makes sense to pay the LT:

    You have Lu and want to keep him. Sign him and you pay the LT for one year, then Boozer's contract expires and no more tax.

    You have Gordon and want to keep him. Sign him and you pay the LT for one year, then Tim Thomas's contract expires and no more tax.

    You have Asik and want to keep him. You pay $5M, $5M, and $15M even if it's tax the 3rd year. That's the price of getting him for dirt cheap for the first two years.

    You want to win championships, so you pay 2 or 3 guys MAX.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    If you're paying 2 or 3 guys MAX, Asik surely wouldn't be one of those 2 or 3. He was going to be a 15-18mpg guy.

    By not paying Deng, you have the opportunity to offer Anthony (or other FA) a sizeable (but probably not sizeable enough in Anthony's case) free agent contract.

    By not paying Gordon, they signed Boozer, Korver, Brewer and Watson. For all I know, they had a sense that Gordon was about to go into the tank. Honestly, with hindsight, signing Gordon for big money was simply a bullet dodged.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    3/$25M isn't a max contract. $15M in year 3 wasn't max either.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    Then what the hell does your "MAX" refer to? I know we've often disagreed, but at least we spoke the same language.
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    Marc Stein@ESPNSteinLine·

    As of 6 PM EST Sunday, ESPN sources say NONE of Melo's suitors (Rockets, Bulls, Mavs or Lakers) have been told they are out of contention
     
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    Re: Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in content

    MAX would be max starting salary with the biggest bumps possible. Not necessarily for the longest duration possible.

    Lu never made max. He made 14/17ths of it, basically.

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    For Omer to have been paid MAX, his first year salary would have to have been $13.7M or so, and the 3 year contract at $39M or more.
     
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    Sources: Carmelo Anthony leaning toward leaving Knicks; Bulls, Rockets in con...

    So the Bulls should have paid to keep Deng, Asik and Gordon and paid Noah, Boozer and Gibson and paid Rose plus one or two others MAX money. Is that right?


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