Sorta OT: GSW Let TPE Expire

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  1. Bullsville

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    David Aldridge just tweeted this:

    Can you imagine if GarPax let a $9.8 million TPE expire without getting a player? They'd have to go into the Witness Protection Program, right?
     
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    He let the TPE for Korver expire. Any others?
     
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    I can't think of any, but I know people over at the Genius board are still bitching that they didn't use the Korver TPE. And it was only 1/2 as much as the one GSW just let expire.

    But I'm pretty sure that TPE's go unused all the time, no team can just force another team to give them a player for their TPE (not since Isiah left the league, anyway) :D
     
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    It seems odd they went to the trouble of converting the FA signing into an S&T for the TPE and then don't use it.

    I suppose it gives the team with the TPE some flexibility for a year, but if you have no intention of using it to improve the team or refuse to pay the LT and using it would mean LT, then why bother?
     
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    I don't know, I guess it's better to have the TPE just in case something comes along that just blows your socks off?

    Plus, I think almost all sign and trades are done to get a draft pick or two in return, and the TPE just comes along with it. I can't think of any sign and trades that were done solely for the TPE, though I'm sure it's happened before.
     
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    Korver for TPE. I don't remember any pick from Atlanta.
     
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    That was just a regular trade, not a sign and trade.

    In a sign and trade, there is no reason for the team giving up the player to do a sign and trade unless they are getting a draft pick. Unless you just want a TPE in case you need it later.
     
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    Korver was a UFA. How could he have been traded if not S&T?
     
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    Nvm. He signed a 3 year deal, not 2 as I thought.
     
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    Most TPEs expire unused. Obviously, they're only useful if there's a trade that's both worth doing and doable.

    Besides, what sort of fan would rag on management for an expired TPE in the absence of more facts?

    Oh yeah...never mind.
     
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    Right, so Korver was a salary dump. That's only a good thing if you own stock in the Bulls' corporation.
     
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    We've had this discussion before.

    The beauty of Korver on the Bulls was how his sharpshooting would play off of DRose's penetration. With Hinrich at PG, Belinelli and Nate Robinson, who could get their own shots, made more sense.

    If you want to translate it to dollars and cents, without Rose, Korver couldn't provide positive value at his $5mil pricetag.
     
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    Korver just re-signed with the Hawks for $6M/season.

    He was replaced here by lesser players who are now gone. In his place is... Tony Snell. While it's great to root for Snell, he's no Korver.

    You'll have to keep explaining to me how getting rid of players and replacing them with lesser players makes us a better team.
     
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    I'm not sure you understand what a challenge this can be. Even with prototypical role-players like Korver, you tend to evaluate players without regard to role. It's like, on a scale of 1-10, you've got Korver at a 7 and believe that he's a 7 to every team in the league.

    In your world, is Korver a better player than Belinelli?
     
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    I think he's a starting SF in this league and we had the luxury of having him on the bench. Now we have Snell. HUGE difference.

    And yeah, I'd say Korver is better than Belinelli. At least he was for us.
     
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    Of course Korver was better for us...he's a 3-point specialist who played with a superstar who was a penetrating PG.
     
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    He finished games because our offense outside of Rose was pathetic. It became even more pathetic without Korver.

    He also looked great for us in the 42 games Rose missed.
     
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    Which 42 games?
     
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    Sorry, it was 23 games.
     
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post/_/id/9513/bulls-plan-requires-patience-from-fans

    The truth is that pretty much every decision the Bulls have made this summer, and the decisions they'll make in the coming weeks, all are financially based. It's the way of life when you're running a business, and make no mistake, the Chicago Bulls are just that.

    Jerry Reinsdorf has made a ton of money while owning the Bulls. The United Center is filled every night and the Bulls are one of the profitable, and recognizable franchises in the world. That's the issue with a large portion of the fan base right now. Reinsdorf has more than enough money to cover any luxury tax hit, but the organization has clearly made it a point to make financial decisions, not basketball ones in the past few weeks. Recently traded guard Kyle Korver admitted as much after he was dealt.

    "What do you do?" Korver said last week on ESPN 1000. "You learn this is a business and teams are going to make business decisions and that's all right ... I knew it was going to come down to dollars. I'm not really going to take it personally because I don't think (the trade) is because of my play, so they traded me or something like that, I think it was a dollars decision and I understand that."

    Former Bulls guard C.J. Watson echoed that sentiment in recent weeks. He acknowledged that much of his talks between the Bulls’ front office revolved around the luxury tax. Couple this with the fact that NBA capologist Larry Coon said on Wednesday night on ESPN 1000 that he has been hearing that the Bulls don't want to go into the tax at all.
     

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