Now I have to hear a year of this worthless Derek Jeter crap

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  1. Disturbed

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    But he has 5 gold gloves!!!! LOL
     
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    You can't put Tulo in the same category with Jeter, Tulo is a middle of the order guy that hits for power & has a lot more RBI situations. Larkin was a good player who was never great & IMO didn't deserve to be elected into the HOF. Just as I'm sure many are still scratching there heads wondering how he ever won the MVP in (I believe 95) when at least 3-4 other were much more deserving. Most notably Dante Bichette.

    No one unless your name was Ruth Gehrig or Williams is going to be great ALL the time every year. Jeter for his power & his hitting ability had a few GREAT seasons, MANY good seasons & very few not so good seasons. This I think we can both agree on. And when all is said & done he will go down as one of the best hitting shortstops to ever play this game. And that's saying something.
     
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    Coors field inflation is a fair point

    Can we agree that Jeter's greatness is in large part to factors: 1) the position that he plays? A postion that to 31's point, he has never been elite defensively at and 2) his longevity
     
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    Just curious, I count 1 great season. 1999

    How many do you see?
     
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    I'll agree that Jeters greatness is due to he is great. :clap::clap::clap:
     
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    LOL
     
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    Look for a player who's considered a light hitting short stop (never a big HR or RBI guy) I think I can speak for MANY when I say a great season for such a player would be over 100 runs scored, over 200 hits, over 300 batting average, 20+SBs, an OBP of .350 or better, Slg% of .460-480, an OPS near .850 & finishing in the top 10 of MVP voting. And Derek Jeter had quite a few of those type of seasons. Just saying.

    BTW: this response was meant for Disturbed since the 31 clown is more like an annoying bug that keeps buzzing around your face that needs to be swatted. Not to mention that he adds nothing of substance to this very unnecessary debate.
     
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    Refer to post 147
     
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    You didnt really answer the question and this is my issue with Jeter fans. You are implying he shouldnt be measured against other greats because he isnt a HR or RBI guy so his .350 OBP and 15 HR are good because he is light hitting?

    You measure a players season against other players not against what type of player the player is. .350 OBP is not great. It might be great for him but that just proves my point.
     
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    I mentioned 7-8 categories, you made reference in return to two. And the reason I hit on the 7 or 8 that I did is because it wouldn't be fair to lump him in with someone like say, Ernie Banks who was a middle of the order power hitter. Just as I wouldn't go the other way around because Banks (a career 270 something hitter) wasn't the hitter that Jeter has been.

    Where Banks could be compared to someone more like A-Rod, You have to put Jeter in with the lighter hitting guys like Larkin, Viscal, Smith, Aparicio, Belanger, etc. And keep in mind I'm not kidding myself on Jeter's Defense as the mental midget 31 has constantly harped on. I'm strictly going on my claim & Mel's that Jeter has been one of the best HITTING shortstops of all time.
     
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    We can agree to disagree but I will leave you with this:

    Hitting .300 isn't great
    20 SB isn't great
    .350 OBP isn't great
    200 hits isn't great when you have 700 plate appearances
    Slugging .450 isn't great
    OPS of .850 isn't great

    Those are all good numbers and that is exactly my point. Jeter had a career of putting together good seasons which all adds up to a great career because he did it well longer then most.




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    if anybody could find out, I would love to know how many infield singles Jeter has had in his career. Thanks.
     
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    And I'll leave you with this, they are great when you're comparing him with players on his level. Several of which are in the HOF.
     
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    The real problem is that people are forgetting that Jeter played in the steroid era where guys had ridiculously inflated offensive numbers. If you want to use those numbers and standards as the definition of great than so be it.
     
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    if i had to guess it would be about 100, the same amount of 1 who has that many posts to their SN
     
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    Rick is the typical lost yankee clown. The fact that people keep saying how good a hitter he is “for a shortstop” is a great example of why he's so overrated. He is NOT a shortstop. He poses as one and is a hack at the position (below replacement level for 9 out of past 10yrs) but is too much of an ego-maniac to have ever switched positions.
    To boot, when comparing Jeter, whose claim to fame is his offense, we’re not supposed to compare him to other offensive shortstops, but only to light hitting ones who were known for their defense rather than their offense, lol. Can’t make this stuff up. Only in lost yankee-land.
     
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    Go ahead and compare him to other offensive shortstops. He has a much higher lifetime batting average and more hits than all of them except Honus Wagner. Either you're just a Yankee/Jeter hater or you don't know enough about the sport and the players who played in it. The comments are just becoming more and more ridiculous.
     
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    Baseball is a sport for queers. Who cares. It's the only sport where you can be fat, weak and a drunk and still play well. It's the only sport where you don't have to play hard during games and still put up numbers. It's boring. Baseball is done. The fact morons still talk about it on the radio is sad. It's an old man sport. The younger crowd has moved on.
     
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    Interesting Rick. By WAR Jeter is most comparable to Larkin and Trammell. Neither of which the world stopped to give them a farewell tour.


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