For anyone thinking Israel is showing restraint and only targeting Hamas

It's like an abusive father and a moronic step child. The step child hits the father's car with his bike, and seriously dents the bumper (the fifth problem in a month!) And the father breaks the step child's jaw to make sure he learns his lesson.

 

I haven't followed this closely, but I heard on the radio that Israel agree to four cease fires. Hamas then continued to fire rockets at Israel.

If drug cartels were firing rockets from Tiajuana into San Diego, I doubt that our government would show a lot of restraint. I also doubt that many in hear would be lobbying for it, either.

Go Blazers

 

I'm no fan of Hamas, but they lose all the world's attention as soon as they agree to a cease-fire. The real issue isn't the deaths, that has been happening for a while, the real issue is the apartheid state, stolen water, the inability to bring materials into the region to build and progress. This is all documented by the U.N.

Now more than ever, the rest of the world is watching and disavowing of what Israel has been doing. Hopefully this can create actual policy change. I applaud other governments for speaking out against the Israeli government. I think the United States is on the wrong side of history here and the consensus supports that thought.

 

No, I don't think they would claim responsibility. It would just strengthen Israel's case for retaliation.

I don't find the same outrage when innocent Palestinians are killed. I find it heartbreakingly sad that it happens, but the Palestinians voted Hamas in as their leaders. Hamas sites their weapons in schools hospitals and churches, which insures that civilians will be killed when Israel defends themselves.

Hamas purposely targets women and children to make a political statement.

Israel takes out Hamas' missile installations to keep from having their citizens killed. Hamas, after insuring civilian casualties, immediately runs to grab up kids that are killed or injured and parades them in front of cameras.

I'm sorry, but that's pathetic.

The press doesn't shine a light on this stuff??? I've seen plenty of video of injured/dead Palestinian civilians in the press. Not so much of rockets going into Israel. Also, I've seen the American boy beat-down several times.

What do you think the US response should be if Mexican cartels start lobbing missiles into San Diego or El Paso? Do you think our government should sit on their hands when citizens are being bombed, because we can't stop the bombing without killing innocents in Mexico?

Go Blazers

 

Look, nobody likes Hamas but they are being used as an absolute scapegoat.

The treatment of Palestinians by Israel has been going on for more than 50 years, long before Hamas ever was. You can look at this war all you want, but it's much deeper than this. Israel is occupying territory, restricting the amount of water and food that gets into Gaza, as well as vital materials to build a productive society.

This is the same apartheid that Nelson Mandela was against and he supported the Palestinian cause against Israel.

Our media is bought and paid for by the Jewish lobby in this country as you can see by the numerous firings of journalists that give an account not too favorable to Israel. Give this link a try to give you the rundown of what's actually happening over there. This country has done a good job of brainwashing its citizens into thinking Israel is a victim and it is defending itself. Let go of any preconceived notions for a second and read this link below and watch the video I have linked as well.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/reasons-rocket-attack.html

[video]http://youtu.be/93hqlmrZKd8[/video]

 

Denny, up until 2005, Israel maintained illegal Jewish colonies in the Gaza Strip as well. It has since disbanded these colonies and thus claims it’s no longer occupying the Gaza strip. Israel is alone in holding this deceptive view; the UN, US State Department, global NGO’s and legal scholars all consider Gaza a part of the Occupied Palestinian Territories because Israel exercises complete military control over it. They still don't allow for certain medications, foods, materials for infrastructure to get into the territory.

 

Yeah, well I suppose it was a mistake for Israel to give up the Gaza strip. Heck, look at what it has become, a rocket launch site. I should think they ought to take it back now.

 

Umm, anyone with any knowledge about Gaza knows it wasn't really "given up."

Again, the UN, US State Department, global NGO’s and legal scholars all consider Gaza a part of the Occupied Palestinian Territories because Israel exercises complete military control over it.

Which means, Israel has blocked off air, land and water access to the Strip — nothing goes in, nothing comes out. This tiny strip of land is home to some 1.7 million people; due to its cage-like setup, Gaza has aptly been described as the ‘world’s largest open air prison.’

The siege has stifled Gaza’s economy, destroyed its infrastructure and has cut off access to some of the most basic amenities needed to live a dignified life. Today, almost 80 per cent of Gazans are dependent on aid as a result of the blockade. The UN has warned Gaza will be inhospitable by 2020 if the siege continues.

Hamas is a red herring. This has been going on for 50 plus years. Even some within the Israeli military are saying that those three teenagers were likely not taken by Hamas.

Please watch the video in the second link.

 

Do you mean those rocket being fire out of Gaza are not coming from Gaza? It ain't happening?

 

No one has said that, but it's very disingenuous to reduce this issue to the war going on now. This has been going on for 50+ years. With or without the rocket fire from Gaza.

 

Actually it is 66 years now. Every few year all through the 66 years, they start shooting at the Israels. It's like being attacked by Wasps repeatedly, I would get pissed and wipe out the nest. I wonder how long the Israels will put up with repeat repeat repeat?

 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

 

Ah! They were just Palestines, not Hamas. That's encouraging. errr who' touching of the rockets?

 

I didn't know you're a Conscientious Objector. So you think that when mobs kill people all around you, you shouldn't defend yourself. That's cool.

Did they make you do alternative work like putting out fires?