For anyone thinking Israel is showing restraint and only targeting Hamas

I blame Bill Clinton for this. He treated Yassir Arafat like a head of state rather than a head of a terrorist organization.

 

He was the head of the Palestinian Liberation Organization.

 

I agree with you. Both nations are to blame as I find both governments to be terrorist governments in their own right. Netanyahu is Israel's Putin and he's playing the U.S. like a fiddle. Hamas is allowing its citizens to die for what they deem to be a greater cause. Corrupt governments screw their people and I think most Arab leaders have done that fairly successfully, because they know that if they don't go with the program, they'll be taken down by a super power, IE Mossadegh, The Shah, etc. Do we have figures on how much Gaza receives in comparison to Israel?

That's about right. It goes deeper than that however. I think they actually want the perception to lead to policy change, which I think is absolutely necessary. Israel cannot keep restricting the flow of water, food, and basic medications to get into the territory. That's an apartheid state.

I don't agree. I think they are pretty equally as bad. Hamas is showing even before this war that they don't know how to govern. But, world opinion seems to be changing right now which you can't dismiss. Hopefully it leads to some policy change.

 

They do. Ask Abbas. Hamas does not = the Palestinian people. Even before this the Palestinian people didn't like Hamas.

Keep up the straw man arguments.

 

LMAO. Paraphrase much? 99%??? Settle down, Nancy Grace.

Ummm, what? Israel & the U.S. just voted at the U.N. to NOT recognize Palestine with the right to exist so how can you ask for the same? By the way, those were the only two nations that voted on that. The rest of the world concurrently took a shit on that notion.

 

Try telling these guys that. [video]http://youtu.be/awCOSRg-gks[/video]

 

Actions speak louder than words. If Hamas doesn't speak for the Palestinians, then why do they not oppose their rocket attacks? Any legitimate government that claims to speak for its people should be able to handle these attacks on a sovereign country internally.

And of course Abbas is going to speak against Hamas. He is the leader of Fatah, who have been in a power struggle with Hamas since the 2007 battle for Gaza.

 

Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance. It's most appreciated.

Please, tell me what the PLO didn't get in the Oslo Accords?

You really shouldn't use the UN as the arbiter of all that is right and fair. The UN is the body allowing weapons to be stored in UN schools and hospitals. There are 54 Muslim-majority countries that are members of the UN and one Jewish one. Anti-semitism is alive and well in Europe and across much of the world. Gee, on which side will the UN fall? It's a mystery.

As for that vote, both Israel and the US simply require one tiny little factor to change their vote: That the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist. Is that requirement so unreasonable? Me thinks to the Palestinians it is.

 

Both Arafat & Abbas have recognized Israel as it's own entity. Again, you're mixing up Hamas with the rest of Palestine and its leaders.

It's very antisemitic to suggest Gaza should be receiving its fair share of water, food and prescription drugs. Totally antisemitic. So this is where Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson learned their skills from? Dwight Howard and Rihanna were also antisemitic for saying, "free Palestine." Sure.

 

Does the U.S. acknowledge the right to exist of the People's Republic of Donetsk?

Does Israel acknowledge Palestine's right to exist as a nation?

One definition of war might be that neither nation acknowledges the right of the other to exist, as presently constituted.

 

Let me know when the official government position of Palestine recognizes Israel's right to exist. In writing.

And exactly what is Gaza's "fair share"? You sound like you work for Al Jazeera.

 

If Hamas is as hated as Amiricon says it is, Israel is doing the Palestinians a favor by ridding those decent, blameless, doe-eyed, innocents of the evil Hamas.

 

They don't like Hamas but don't oppose the opposition. It's not like Abbas or Arafat did shit for them either.

 

I wish I worked for Al Jazeera. The only real news agency left. How quick do we forget that Israel supported Hamas at one point.

Also, http://www.newsweek.com/mahmoud-abb...nity-government-would-recognize-israel-248761

Google can be your friend.

 

QT Rice told Abbas during their meeting last Thursday that “any Palestinian government must unambiguously and explicitly commit to nonviolence, recognition of the State of Israel, and acceptance of previous agreements and obligations between the parties.”


pretty cut and dry.I dont understand where the confusion is.