Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexually'

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    It's a legal defense. Meaning if they are with three years of age it is not a crime and if somehow a prosecutor charged it, the judge will kick it out before ti ever got to a jury (state would also probably be subject to fines for prosecutorial misconduct unless they had reasonable beleif the defense did not apply)
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    And you've been carrying on an online relationship with Denny since you were 7yrs old?

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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Okay, thanks. Good for Oregon. But posters are assuming it's true in most or all states. I'd like to see some evidence.

     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    It should not be an exception. If the girl says it wasn't consensual, then they use the law to convict. The parents should have the right to pursue charges.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    The law defines all underage sex as nonconsensual, forcible rape. When you see statistics with classifications, underage stuff swells the numbers for nonconsensual, and for forcible.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    If we get rid of laws against murder, the murder rate will hit zero.

    Smert.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    I'm talking about sex in which neither party alleges non-consent.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Show me a case where that's been prosecuted in the last 5 years.

    Good luck.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Thanks for wishing me good luck, but I won't need it. I'm only motivated to argue the concepts, not research for specific examples I want overturned.

    But since we agree in principle, which you haven't yet realized, it's not that important anyway.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    I argued the way the law is, and I support it as is with the modification that the parents or guardian of the victim would have to seek charges.

    You argued something else.

    If you have a reason to argue it, and it's not something that exists only between your ears, you might want to prove it.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Denny I think your system would be subject to a lot of corruption.

    If I'm a pedophile, I target kids from low income families. If it becomes discovered that I had sex with a 10 yr old, I offer the parent or legal guardian $25K to buy my way out of prosecution.

    Heck, if I'm an apartment landlord of a low income area, I target the kids and offer free rent to parents if I get caught.

    Seems to easy to buy your way out of the crime. Hate to imagine what leverage crack dealers would have over crack addicted mothers . . .
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    They can do that anyway.

    How do the cops find out about it?
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Mandatory child abuse reporting by gov't workers, school officials and health care providers. What if child wants to prosecute but mother doesn't
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Can crack whore trade sex of child for drugs?
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Statute of limitations would allow the child to prosecute when of age.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    That's a very different crime. Human trafficking.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    So crack dealer preys on crack addict's child. Then when crack addict finds out, do you think she or he will want to prosecute? Tough case to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is human trafficking.

    I think while you envision suburb america (which I agree could be hard to detect if a kid is having sex with an adult), I'm envisioning all the problems that would arise with intercity low income neighborhoods. Where many people are afraid to get law enforcement involved and will often do things they normally would not do to escape the life they are leading. These are the kids that are often susceptible to grooming and your system gives the pedophile one more avenue to avoid prosecution.

    But as I said earlier, I get the idea of letting the parents decide and they usually have a voice in prosecution. There isa whole victims right act in Oregon to give the victim more of a voice in prosecution.

    Domestic violence is another interesting topic. Do you let the victim decide to prosecute given the whole battered wive syndrome . . . but I know that is another topic.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Put the guy in jail for crack.

    Geez.

    You're trying to figure out a way around it, but there really isn't.

    If the kid is in the kind of family that family services should come and take the children, then that's what they should do.

    But THAT is a different discussion.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    Are you kidding? I'm trying to figure away around it?

    I'm trying to politely show that your system has all kinds of flaws and potential for abuse. But allow me to be more blunt . . . there isn't a chance in hell that we will ever have a legal system that would ever put in place the type of system you are suggesting. Any legislator that would try to create a bill that suggests this would be laughed at and likely lose their seat at the next election.
     
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    Re: Michele Bachmann: Gays Want To Let Adults 'Freely Prey On Little Children Sexuall

    You haven't shown any way to abuse it.

    If anything, the government being overzealous prosecuting cases would be a terrible thing.
     
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