Atlantic warming turbocharges Pacific trade winds

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  1. MarAzul

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    Baloney! You have been had. I just pulled a Crib file for the North Pacific from the West Coast to out past the Hawaiian Islands. It shows as of right now, force 2 winds in the trade wind area (20n lat.) except for a the area of a small low 150 miles in diameter about halfway between Mexico and the islands.

    The North Pacific Pilot chart for August show to expect force 2 to 3 winds in this area during the month of August. This chart is compiled by observations at sea for over 200 years now.
    The trade winds are blowing right where they should be expected and the same velocity as sailors have experienced for several hundred years now.

    I question the experience of the "scientist" who came to this dumb ass conclusion! Did he make is observation in a squall?
     
  2. barfo

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    Skimming the article for a couple of seconds, it's pretty clear that he's talking about increased winds over the past 20 years, not right this minute.
    The fact that the winds are relatively calm right this minute is pretty meaningless (unless of course you are going sailing...).

    barfo
     
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    So much for barfo's theory.

    Unless there's a different meaning of "currently" that he goes by.
     
  4. MarAzul

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    Winds currently the same clear across the Pacific as they have been for several hundred years
    speaks steadiness to me, not sure why you don't get it.
     
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    Uhm, first of all, there is no attribution on that story, so I'm not sure why you refer to 'he'.
    Secondly, you realize this is a story about the research, not the research itself?
    Thirdly, yes, you are supposed to understand from context that 'currently' does not mean 'right this very minute', but rather 'over the last couple of decades'.

    barfo
     
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    Well, it's been hot in August in Portland for hundreds of years, and it's hot today. So I guess the weather in Portland never changes.

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    ped·ant·ry
    ˈpedntrē/
    noun
    noun: pedantry; plural noun: pedantries

    excessive concern with minor details and rules.

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  9. Denny Crane

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    Summer is clearly evidence of global warming.
     
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    now go look up accuracy.
     
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    Here's a great article about the same subject.

    http://www.science20.com/news_artic...y_the_pacific_trade_winds_didnt_weaken-141836

    Global Warming Puzzle: A New Hypothesis On Why The Pacific Trade Winds Didn't Weaken

    (note the word Hypothesis)

    Climate models predicted that the equatorial Pacific trade winds should weaken with increasing greenhouse gases, yet satellites and climate stations have instead revealed a rapid and unprecedented strengthening of the Pacific trade winds since the 1990s.

    (Those models really work, don't they?)
     
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    Science.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ubtle-body-language-communicate-thoughts.html

    Forget neighing! Horses talk with their EARS: Creatures use subtle body language to communicate their thoughts

    Horse whisperers take note: If you want to better understand your equine friends, then study their ears.

    A study has revealed that just like humans, horses read each other’s faces. But, unlike us, they gain important information by specifically examining the ears.

    It seems that when a horse is interested in something, it pricks up its ears and swivels them towards whatever has caught its attention.

    This movement is so important that, if its ears are covered up, another horse struggles to know what it is thinking.

    The finding comes from University of Sussex researchers who studied what makes one horse pay attention to another horse.

    They began by taking photos of a horse looking to one side at bucket of food.

    They then placed a picture on a post between two buckets of food, led another horse into the barn and watched which bucket it went to.

    They almost always took their cue from the pictured animal and chose the bucket it seemed to be looking at.

    However, when the photo was manipulated, so that the horse’s eyes were covered up, the results were no better than chance.

    This suggests the horse’s gaze conveys important information.

    (blah blah blah global warming!)
     
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    The funny thing is you use scientist to disprove other scientist's data with regard to global warming.

    So basically only scientists that agree with your position have credibility.
     
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    Not at all. I find this research to have been a waste of money. Since it didn't mention global warming anyhow.
     
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    I figured you posted that to mock scientists.
     
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    Why would that be mocking scientists? This study was done by a PhD, so it all must be true (or something).
     
  17. MarAzul

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    Weird! Where are they getting their data?

    Pulled a Grib file for the Kriibati Islands, winds from the east 5 knot.

    Kiritimati Island (Christmas Island) 4 knots

    http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/KB/Kiritimati.html

    Tarawa 5 - 10

    http://www.weather-forecast.com/locations/Tarawa/forecasts/latest


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    This photo taken during a storm for the desired effect.
     
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    Now go look up 'I didn't write that article, or post it here, and I don't really give a shit whether the writer used the English language perfectly or not. The meaning was clear. Your objection on the basis of one word is ridiculous and petty'.

    Should be able to google that shortly...

    barfo
     
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    Go skim the first paragraph in the article. This time realize the words are strung together to make sentences. I know you're lazy, it shows. The first paragraph says, "New research has found rapid warming of the Atlantic Ocean, likely caused by global warming, has turbocharged Pacific Equatorial trade winds. Currently the winds are at a level never before seen on observed records, which extend back to the 1860s."
     
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    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/02/new-paper-finds-excuse-8-for-pause-in.html

    New paper finds excuse #8 for the 'pause' in global warming: Pacific trade winds

    A paper published today in Nature Climate Change adds the eighth excuse for the 'pause' in global warming: strengthened Pacific trade winds, which according to the authors, were "not captured [simulated] by climate models." On the basis of those same highly-flawed climate models, the authors predict rapid global warming will resume in a decade or so when those trade winds abate.

    Climate Depot Analysis: ‘There have been at least seven separate explanations for the standstill in global warming’ – 1) Low Solar Activity; 2) Oceans Ate Warming; 3) Chinese Coal Use; 4) Montreal Protocol; 5) Readjusted past temps to claim ‘pause’ never existed 6) Volcanoes 7) Decline in Water Vapor

    09.02.2014

    Trade winds may be a significant cause of the so called global warming pause, according to new research.

    An article published online today in Nature Climate Change investigates how strengthened Pacific trade winds can account for 0.1C- 0.2C of cooling through increased subsurface ocean heat uptake - this is enough to account for much of the temperature slowdown in the so called global warming pause.

    Global average surface temperatures rose sharply during the second half of the 20th century before leveling off since the late 1990s despite a continuing increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations. Scientists have yet to fully explain the recent slowdown in the rise of air temperatures attributed to the so called global warming pause that, on at least one measure, has lasted for over 17 years.
     

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