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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    From a mod point of view Crandc is opinionated and passionate about her opinions but she doesn't insult people.
     
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    It's quite easy to imagine humans as animals in a God-free universe who feel like they have unalienable rights even though it's a meaningless concept, because that feeling of anthropocentric entitlement is a beneficial evolutionary adaptation.
     
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    Unalienable rights are like fear of height. You're just born with them. No creator necessary.
     
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    I think when people talk about unalienable rights they are actually just referring to their feelings and desires, not picturing some coherent concept of "rights" as an objective property of themselves (if that's even possible). This is similar to, or in a way the same thing as moral non-cognitivism.
     
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    Wait, you mean it has nothing to do with aliens?!? When did this happen?
     
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    Unalienable rights can not be taken away. I don't know any way to express what they are than to say you're born with them. Like fear of heights or love of chocolate (if you do love it, that is).
     
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    You can't express what they are because (IMO) you're psychologically referring to feeling of entitlement, not picturing rights as an actual objective property humans possess, like male/female. I don't think rights can even be a meaningful concept without some sort of (subjective) justification.
     
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    Of course they can. People like sex. I don't think that's a feeling of entitlement or anything psychological. Yet it's a pursuit of happiness.
     
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    Ok but try to parse what you really mean when you stipulate that humans have the "right" to a pursuit of happiness (without referring to subjective justification).

    You FEEL like you do, but why actually do you?
     
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    Many people develop a fear of heights later in life. Probably that's true of chocolate too, but I don't know for sure.

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    100% accurate for me. When I was younger, I wanted to jump off cliffs, roofs or anything crazy. Now I get we weary walking down a staircase.
     
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    You wouldn't jump off a cliff without a parachute to rocks far below. Because you are born with the fear you'd die if you did so.
     
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    Ahhhhh okay I see what you are saying now. A survival instinct?
     
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    These are rights not given by government or other people. They're not something between your ears that you reason into existence.

    You have the right to breathe the air.
     
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    Something you're born with. I used fear of heights as an example, as it's an obvious one. Nobody granted you the fear somehow.
     
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    I'm not sure that's true either. I don't think babies know what will kill them and what won't. You could argue that they are born afraid of everything, and gradually learn not to be afraid of some things, but I don't think you can make a good argument that they have a fear of cliff diving specifically.

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    If someone sneaks up on you and yells "boo!" you might be startled. That's something you're born with, too.
     
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    Ok, that one seems at least plausible.

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    Do you have a pet? If so, you think he's intelligent or do you think he won't jump off a 10 story building because he is scared of heights?
     

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