There are way more business out there where unions PROTECT employees for shitty work conditions and cutting corners. For the most part unions typically have the most up to date educated employees in their field.
Frappez un coup de circuit avec une rondelle hocky, si vous le pouvez, tristes ces expositions ont dû quitter ma ville natale
...news to me...what businesses are you speaking of? ...and what "protection" do these supposed unions offer that federal/state laws do not?
My great grandmother lived in Village Olympique. We'd stay with her in Montréal and walk the concrete over to the Big O for the games. We went quite often from about 90-96 and saw a lot of good baseball there (and in Toronto). With the Jays winning the WS twice around that time it was a golden era for baseball in Canada and a fun time to be a fan.
And now Montreal couldn't survive a baseball team & you can't give away tickets to a game in Toronto.
It looks worse than it is because the Rogers Centre is such a cavernous building. The Jays had 92,000 fans show up to the last two games of their series against the Tigers this weekend. Their attendance last year was about 2.5-million which is average to good, and looking even better this year. They could use a baseball specific stadium but I don't know if that will happen in the next decade. Blue Jays games are very hip at the moment because the team has been so mediocre for so long. The team is on the upswing and the city is behind them. Montréal has a rich baseball history. Jackie Robinson, Pete Rose getting his 4,000th hit in front of about 50,000 fans, Gary Carter--the exhibition games played at the Big O this year drew such huge crowds (about 100,000 over two games) that MLB was taken aback. I think a lot of people believe that the city turned its back on the team or that Montréal was never a good place for baseball and I'm not sure that's true (at all). I remember the good days and I remember paying $20 for seats behind the plate in the bad days. I think Montréal compares favourably to many of the MLB cities. Montréal compares well to anywhere--it's a fucking great place to be. Once Bud Selig is out of the way we'll see what happens.
The Great Roberto Clemente began his career with the Montreal Royals, his 1 yr. Minor Lg. N. American stint.........not only did the old Bums have a pool of great talent to come and go..........The Expos had developed some great players too....Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, Tim Wallach (solid glove, good RBI man), hell even Galaragga....and the rest, (some) have already been named. NTM-they fandangled for Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson.....Montreal's ticket sales began to take a ride south big time......if only the Stadium wasn't a concrete old day Trop.......or if-..............
I totally beg to differ...that statement cannot hold water more than a strainer can, in the Aerospace and Defense Industries.....NG is much more advanced a Company than all those other Union Shops. Some states, with "right to work" laws, you choose one way or the other, (in Aerospace), you'll find a declining Union Populace these days less than ever, with more Non-Union Workers, getting fairer treatment by Human Resources, and A MUCH BETTER EDUCATED MANAGEMENT STRUCTURE, AS WELL AS ADMINISTRATION AND CORPORATE HUMAN RESOURCE POLICIES. There is NO DEBATE in the Industry I spent my life in. Boeing, McDonnel Douglas, Rockwell Intl. General Dyanmics, Rockwell, HoneyWell, Westinghouse Elect. Hughes Elect....name 'em all if you want......none compare to Northrop's light decades ahead of its time, in technologies, from RCS/LOA, IT-incl. Software Engineering, Radar Systems, Avionics, Propulsion Systems....please don't try to to debate this point for Aerospace and Union's....it's a debate you can't win as far as Aerospace. My own experiences with Unions, pure bullshit.......they take your monthly dues, then leave you in the cold during a strike. Go back and read the 1st post, on Seattle Boeing's longest strike debacle. Do you know over 140,000 employees out of jobs overnight, all had to scramble as to how to feed their kids, pay their bills, with NO hope in sight, and NO UNION DUE MONIES, paid not even a effing dime for a baby's formula. As I stated, and.........they all settled for a helluva lot less than they were offered to begin with in the 1st place. How does one make up for 6 months of lost wages, ????? You don't you never recover it........too many peeps, think ingrained Union Mentality is and will always be the way of Civilized Corporate Collective Bargaining America. One day yes, Unions were needed, and keep in mind, Labor Laws, or Human Resource Programs did not exist, during the advent and necessary times, for Union Shops. Honestly the only thing I see Unions do, is protect the f'k up employees, who should be shit canned, and look the other way when short cuts are being made. You can not fill me full of the shit that is Unions. As they say, I spent more time in the shit-house, than you have on this airplane" (a remark once made to myself, not talking bout you Al).....working, than most Union Flag Waivers have on their jobs.....
Considering I am the son of a union electrician, one who was the vice president....with all due respect, I see a different light then you do.
Mon grand-père était un immigrant de Montréal. Mon ancêtre était le premier homme français, un prêtre, qui fait ses premiers pas au large des côtes du fleuve Saint-Laurent. pour bénir la terre qui s'appelle le Québec. Pas de merde comme c'était la coutume le prêtre a toujours été la première du bateau, pour bénir la terre, avant de les commandants grande entrée, et la revendication de terres pour la redevance. Bénir la maison de l'habitat de de Canadiens .... et Expos ....
You know Al, I was guessing you were close to Union Family Background. Please no offense......I know the debates to well. I don't hold it against you (busting your chops), sure some places like Walmart need Unions. I've watched a new Union literally destroy the integrity, quality and overall outcome of the Local Hospital, by going Union 5 years. Not saying Unions don't have some belonging in some worlds. But in this era of American Production....Unions are becoming outdated, and Non-Union Aerospace employees receive far superior, and/better tech, better educated employees from a mechanic to a Director, always get much much better training. Northrop for instance IS THE ONLY Aerospace Firm that has its own University. Management on down to the mechanic technician, receive training I never saw, only heard of at Rockwell Intl. on the Space Shuttle Program, (UAW)...... Doing the work of higher labor grade technicians, for 3 years, 70 of us Installation Techs, and Quality Inspectors, filed a grievance, that we too should be the higher labor grade, WITH the title "Research and Development Technicians"....3 years of waiting on a effing grievance, to make that $1 more an hour. Add that up, on a yearly scale. What did the Union get us, but a ONE week compensation check, and upgraded in labor grades, and got that extra buck an hour, for the last 6 months of the entire program. Why not the buck for the 3 years, the Union could NOT settle the grievances???? Unions never can or do protect their workers on strike, what else are Union Dues for? On the other hand, AL-please know I don't want you to take offense to what I'm saying, please none at all. RE2PECT to you, your Dad, and your beliefs, ...........even tho' they differ from mine, I'm more than tolerant of different even opposing points of views, we gotta be tolerant of opposing views, less albeit Hamas, or Isis, or.......PUKIN....I mean that asshole who's running the new USSR....!
I know for first hand the the electrical union does have a benefit program established for work stopages and for unemployed members. One thing that I am quiet sure you would not see is an illegal working in a union shop. I am not going to say there are no corruptions in unions or greed, that would be foolish to think, I just know that when done properly it can and has worked. Standards are mostly better for the customer and the employee. Some of the federal and state employment laws were because of organized unions.
No doubt, I totally agree, without Unions in the early Industrial Revolution, we'd all be picking cotton.....those Labor Laws have become some of the most important laws in a workers life....and kudos to all Unions for the creation of much needed laws to put sweat shops, or thugs out of business..... Don't get me wrong, I can respect Unions, its to often a simple lazy Union Steward, that gives an entire shop a bad name....to often I've seen companies dictate to Unions what will get accomplished or not.... I have and will never see a illegal working in a Union Shop, but you sure won't see an illegal working for any Aerospace Firm, period. Even on Commercial Programs. Now D.O.D black hole TSAR programs, you won't see a Mexican Born but American Citizen, working in some of those dark secret cavernous programs. Just saying, the tighter the program, TSAR (Top Secret Access Required), the less riff raft, yet, sometimes, the lesser the experienced work force, (only during start up of a new program), as time progresses TSAR restrictions loosen and those who jay walked once in their lives, are then allowed in, ie, TSAR restrictions cost experienced workers a job in itself, if you got so much as "one disturbing the peace", or any other minor non misdemeanor on their records. DUI forget it.....just saying, I know there are needs for Unions in non-developed nations- LOL-(busting your chops again)......honestly, yes, if done right, Unions can make progress. I'm not a Union Buster, yet, I see to much crap in this Commerce Killing State, of CA. And, yes, only some Unions have financial assistance for striking employees, yet most don't, but they all say they do. I've seen my father working 2 jobs, over 4 times in my life, due to strikes, and not once, did the Union offer him or anyone else a dime for his kids milk. That was our reality....sad, but true. Those who have assistance for striking workers, are the minority anymore, to be honest, I believe the Union dues are spent more on Lobbiest in DC, than on their employees.... Not speaking in general, just on what I've observed in my career path... again, please take no offense to anything I'm saying Big AL.....
Yep, the Switch Man, pulled the other track open, and derailed the Train.... and like I mentioned earlier, I thought this Thread's OP, was about Jennifer Lopez not showing up for the Dinner Date you made with her.....
Oh she showed up, & I got up & then badda-bing badda-boom. And then.................................I woke up............................ Damn alarm clock.
