To all of you climate change deniers

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  1. Denny Crane

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    What happens when it doesn't?
     
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    I'll believe it's a crisis when those who tell me it's a crisis start acting like it's a crisis.
     
  5. Eastoff

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    I'm still not sold on Nuclear power. It has the potential to be much, much more efficient. Right now it's a fancy steam engine, when they could be harnessing the radiation itself.

    But I digress, Nuclear waste still lacks a safe place to be stored. Additionally, but less so, I'm concerned about plant safety. The fukushima reactor is still leaking into the ground water, unless that ice wall is complete and functioning. But if we get to the point where we truly are desperate, I'd be okay with nuclear power.
     
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    Denny says that nuclear stuff in Japan is all BS. Japanese people skin is naturally yellow like that and the increased radiation levels are from previous Godzilla attacks.
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    Intensity is proportional to the inverse square of the distance. That is, you get 1/4 the radiation effect as you get 2x further away. At 5000 miles away, it's effect is 1/(5000*5000) what it would be 1 mile away.

    The reason they didn't just bury Fukushima in concrete (and be done with it) is that they're trying to recover the land for future generations' use.
     
  8. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    The Japanese made very strange decisions with their implementation of Nuclear power. I worked with them (and others) to make their banks failsafe. We called it 747 proof, where a processing center would not go down,
    it would be immediately succeeded by another and then another on another Island near instantly. Very strange why the backup system for the Nuclear plants where designed so lacking in failsafe capacity. There is no reason a cooling system should be permitted to fail without a backup system taking over. Earthquakes, Tsunami or not. If the plant became the epicenter for a volcanic eruption, a sister to Fuji, then perhaps. But hell, that would be about the same level disaster as the plant melt down.
     
  10. Denny Crane

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    The tsunami was several orders of magnitude more a disaster than the nuclear plant problems.

    It destroyed many square miles of cities and towns and farmland. It killed nearly 19,000 people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties
     
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    ummm Yes I see the short view they take. Did you read the Carbon Tax bill Obama wanted to pass? It failed, I am not sure even one Democrat voted for it but it did have some very curious things in it about burning.

    I burn wood here to heat my house. I use the stuff grown on my place here every year. I am not sure yet whether I keep up or clean up as much as is grown but what ever.
    Under the carbon tax system I would have to pay a tax for burning the wood but I get no credit for planting trees which take in the CO2. Sort of a one way deal in my view. But the weird thing is, the wood will produce the CO2 rotting where it lay even if I don't burn it, the CO2 is produced.

    These solutions are the solutions that the Democrats want and I really don't think they are solutions at all. I think they want another way to get a hand in my pocket, your pocket too. Carbon is recycled with or without a mans participation.

    Then look at the distribution of some of these monies collected (UN view) by taxing men in participating in the carbon recycle process. It goes to people in other places not to you or me.
    I don't want to play this game
     
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    All true and there should have been a backup plan in place for the cooling system. Period. They did it on the cheap, it should have never been approved.
     
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    I don't know enough details, but the specific subject you mention is unfair, I agree.
     
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    Physicist: Don't fall for the argument about 'settled science'

    By Michael Guillen, Ph.D. | Fox News

    Why climate change won't be a winning issue for Democrats in the new Congress

    The public's concern about global warming has remained below 45 percent while progressive Democrats push a green agenda on Capitol Hill.

    I am dismayed to hear that NBC’s “Meet The Press” is actually blaming science for its decision to shut down any intelligent, meaningful discussion about climate change. “We’re not going to give time to climate deniers,” the show’s host recently said, referring to people, including Nobel laureates, who disagree that humans are mostly to blame for altering Earth’s climate. “The science is settled even if political opinion is not.”

    For the record I’m neither a “denier” or an “alarmist.” I’m a physicist who does his very best to seek the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I’m also a journalist who’s been covering the complexities of the climate change story since the 1980s, even reporting directly from the north and south poles, where much of the climate research is done.

    My point here is not to debate the merits of today’s resolute scientific consensus that humans are having a decisive, apocalyptic impact on the climate. It might very well be correct.

    My point is that if you are absolutely, 100 percent convinced it is – as evidently the producers of the aforementioned news show are – you have a right to say your mind is settled, or your politics are settled. But never say the science of this or any equally complex subject is “settled.”

    That crucial lesson was learned centuries ago, when something far simpler than Earth’s mercurial climate was being hotly debated. Back then the scientific community was convinced beyond any doubt that our planet was at the center of the universe. In the sixteenth century, Nicolaus Copernicus – a “geocentric denier,” to use today’s pejorative labeling – was derided for believing the sun was at the center of everything.

    Mainstream scientists and university professors of the day proclaimed the science was settled and justified their “evidence-based” derision of Copernicus by citing the mountain of observational data in favor of the geocentric consensus. Tragically, if NBC had been around, the good Mr. Copernicus would not have been allowed to argue his case on "Meet The Press."

    Ditto for that other notorious geocentric denier, Galileo Galilei. In the early seventeenth century even the Catholic Church – which had long since reconciled scripture with science’s earth-centered consensus – condemned Galileo for his wayward thinking. Declaring that both science and scripture were settled, Pope Urban VIII’s chief inquisitor sentenced the aged astronomer to house arrest – but only after shaming him into publicly recanting his denial of geocentricism.

    The list is long and sobering of examples in history where resolute scientific consensuses have been disproven. And, worse, disproven only after “deniers” had been crushed and even destroyed for touting nonconforming interpretations of available evidence. Altogether the lesson should be crystal clear: science – which I believe to be the most brilliant discipline we have for understanding the physical universe – is fallible and, therefore, always open to debate.

    The "Meet The Press’" policy is pointedly and dangerously unscientific. And so are the calls by like-minded individuals to not just silence but punish anyone who dares to challenge the consensus of human-caused climate change – all allegedly in the name of science.

    “I think that denying climate change is a crime against humanity,” says comedian Eric Idle, not joking. “And they should be held accountable in a World Court.”

    Bill Nye – another commentator, but with an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering – agrees, saying, “this extreme doubt about climate change is affecting my quality of life as a public citizen. So I can see where people are very concerned about this, and they’re pursuing criminal investigations …”

    “The scientific consensus is in, and the argument is now over,” proclaims actor Leonardo Di Caprio. “If you do not believe in climate change, you do not believe in facts, or in science or empirical truths and therefore, in my humble opinion, should not be allowed to hold public office.”

    Albert Einstein once faced a similar kind of repulsive, benighted lynch mob. In his day, the scientific establishment resolutely believed that time and space were absolutes and cited as incontrovertible proof a vast literature of peer-reviewed, published studies. Collectively, mainstream scientists mocked Einstein’s belief that space and time were relative – some calling it “Jewish science,” a particularly hateful way of smearing the young space-time denier.

    Yet, as everyone now knows, Einstein – like Copernicus, Galileo, and scores of other vindicated “deniers” over the centuries – ultimately disproved the vaunted scientific consensus.

    By all means, vet your guests carefully – avoid the uncredentialed nut jobs and purely political partisans. But, above all, heed Einstein’s wise words about how science really works. “No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right,” he observed, “a single experiment can prove me wrong.”
     
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    I hate to ask, but what does this refer to?

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    AOC said we have 12 days until armeggedon
     
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    Oh wait 12 years. Much more reasonable.
     
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    We all know mass genocide is the only true solution to climate change.
     
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    That is, if you are deadly serious.

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