Fatal shooting of firing range instructor by 9 year old girl and an Uzi

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  1. BLAZINGGIANTS

    BLAZINGGIANTS Well-Known Member

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    We have a drinking age. And for driving autos. Why don't we have some sort of age for kids using automatics?
     
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    Well automatics are actually illegal for every age. Unless you purchased guns manufactured before 1983 or something.

    This range has autos because they have some special permit. Normal citizens don't get to have those weapons.

    Which is why I say it's the range's fault first and foremost.

    As they say in the historical records: Spider-Man... "With great power brings great responsibility"
     
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    For you and I, yes. Warren Buffett, for example, could afford one.

    I don't know - it seems to me you'd need a permit from various government agencies (NRC?) and you wouldn't get the permit, so you'd be violating the law by not having the proper permits.

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    To wit:

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    No doubt I blame the range first and foremost. They ultimately allowed access. It's like, if I, as an irresponsible parent told my kid they couldn't drink at our house, in the privacy of our home, but then took them to a bar and the bar said yes.... Sure, I'm likely a terrible parent, but the bar was the last barrier to prevent drinking.

    The parents were irresponsible, too, though.
     
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    With the passing of this dangerously unqualified shooting instructor, the overall collective quality of shooting instructors nationwide has improved a couple notches. :cheers:
     
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    Wow.

    Uzily too soon.
     
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    Stoopid autocorrect.
     
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    As barfo said, Warren Buffett could handle the cost. So could many other billionaires or corporations. Hey, exon just nuked Spain. But even so, it's illegal, not just expensive. Although big nukes are mega expensive, you could build a dirty bomb for a few mil. (Cheap smoke detector is ~$8. 100,000 smoke detectors contain enough of the isotope americium-241 to make a powerful dirty bomb.). But large sales are tracked by our government and you would be arrested for building such a bomb. How many Americans could afford a few million bucks?

    And yes, when the 2nd amendment was written of course it meant everything they had at the time. But the biggest baddest thing at that time might be able to kill a dozen people at a time. We now have weapons that could kill millions. That's a it of a game changer. We also have many more people and much easier access to due to relative affordability of all our legal weapons.

    In my fathers lab back in the day he used to work with palytoxin, one of the most toxic things known, made by some sea creatures, can't recall exactly. He needed it as a way to study a specific cellular pathway, but part of the way through his experiments the government banned it, even for most scientists. My father ended up smuggling it into America for his experiments. Because it was illegal and could be weaponized. That was over a decade ago, my father is retired and the substance has long since been destroyed.

    Nukes, dirty bombs, mustard gas, and a whole bunch of other things are illegal. No matter how you want to say it's just economical reasons people don't have them, you are wrong. There are laws, laws and more laws.
     
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    To wit: unconstitutional.
     
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    I call bullshit on you and further.

    http://fas.org/blogs/fas/2013/04/new-report-analyzing-irans-nuclear-program-costs-and-risks/

    Iran’s quest for the development of nuclear program has been marked by enormous financial costs and risks. It is estimated that the program’s cost is well over $100 billion, with the construction of the Bushehr reactor costing over $11 billion, making it one of the most expensive reactors in the world.

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    I've seen $170B reported. Who has $170B?

    Exxon-Mobil has $52B in cash on hand. Not enough.
     
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    The dirty bomb scenario is nothing new. When I was in high school many many years ago, we discussed the possibility that someone might use a stick of dynamite and radiological waste from the top of the Hancock building to radiate a large area.
     
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    9 year old = learn to shoot a pellet gun.
     
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  14. Further

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    Might not be new, but is illegal.
     
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    So the honest people are honest and the evil ones obey this law.

    :crazy:
     
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    I'm pretty sure the courts have not and are not ever going to overturn that law as unconstitutional. So you can cling to your belief that it's legal to own a nuke, but it's only legal in your mind, not in reality.

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    Just because it cost Iran that much doesn't mean it would cost another party the same to acquire a bomb.
    You didn't read your own link, did you?

    I don't think those costs apply to Warren.

    In addition, Iran's cost includes the cost of rebuilding facilities after they get blown up, concealment of the facilities from the outside world, and doing everything from scratch because there are few sources for parts & equipment. Finally, Iran has attempted to build power reactors as well in order to show the outside world that they aren't just building bombs, and that is included in the costs.

    If Warren was building himself a totally legal bomb in Dennyland, he wouldn't have any of these issues.

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    You mean in barfoland.

    It would cost hundreds of $billions to make a bomb for Buffett, too.

    He could make a dirty bomb for cheap, though. But that's not what I'm talking about.

    Sure, anyone can buy a bomb for $.01 if someone else has one and is willing to sell for that. There clearly aren't any to be bought/sold.

    But in barfoland, a Warren Buffet can buy weapons grade plutonium or uranium at the super market. Or something.
     
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    Nor is it what I'm talking about.

    Or something. Obviously, we are trying to describe a fantasyland where Warren would actually be allowed to build a bomb. That's your fantasyland, not mine.
    In your fantasyland, it is legal for him to do so (despite the law that quite literally says it is not legal).

    So, if it is legal to build a bomb, what costs would Warren realistically incur? It isn't hundreds of billions of dollars. The US government can build a nuke for much much less than that (maybe $20 million?), and if the US government was ok with Warren doing it, there's no reason it would cost him all that much more. He might have to spend a billion or so on facilities that the government already has, but that's not hundreds of billions.

    But this is silly because, contrary to your assertion, it is actually illegal.

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    The US government has invested more than Buffett's net worth in facilities that allow for making bombs for $20M or whatever. Buffett would have to build a nuclear reactor, or several, for the cost of several $billions each, to make a minuscule amount of bomb grade material. He doesn't already own facilities like those at Oak Ridge or Savannah River.

    In barfoland, he does.
     
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