http://www.tpnn.com/2014/07/21/video-obama-signs-new-executive-order-restricting-religious-freedom/ VIDEO: Obama Signs New Executive Order Restricting Religious Freedom I don't know how I feel about this, but I can relate to the argument. Personally, I think the issue is moot, since my theistic beliefs don't warrant such fundamentals, but I definitely can see the reason why some would think this is unconstitutional.
I could care less about the content, mainly I am more pissed about how this guy can continually bypass congress and make/pass his own fucking laws. A complete pile of shit.
Everyone is free to practice their religion still. They just aren't entitled to govt. money for any reason, and govt. can make the rules about who they pay and how much. As long as they don't violate the 1st amendment clause about establishing a religion. In fact, government dollars going to any religious purpose (even a company that wants to claim it can exercise its religious beliefs) is a violation of the 1st. The SCOTUS ruling is for closely held corporations, not for all.
Okay, let me get this straight. You believe it is okay to prohibit someone from being who they want to be or being with who they love simply because you dont think thats what God wants, but you get suuuper deffensive when you even get a bit suspicious that someone may be making the slightest infringement upon your rights to your religion (Which if youre looking for an example of religious infringement, this is a bad example at best) ? How the fuck does that work out...
This executive order is consistent with ones issued by Nixon, LBJ, and GW Bush. http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/history/35th/thelaw/eo-11246.html http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/11478.html http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2002-12-16/pdf/02-31831.pdf
No I could care less about the homosexual ban. I think they a stupid for forbidding it, but it is still a religious freedom. I am only debating how a president can bypass legislation so easily.
Yep, and his # of them isn't as bad as others were (not saying it's good..because "not as bad" does not equal "good"). Religious groups shouldn't tell me what I can and can't do (although I can just not work for them). Bush (2) had more. Clinton had far more. Bush (1) had a higher rate. The Patron saint of Republicanism had more. Hell, one could argue that Obamas rate of EO's is the slowest since Grover Clevelands first administration. But that doesn't make for great headlines. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
Can you give me more information on this ruling? I also understand that it only effects "government jobs", but the concept of changing laws like this isn't right IMO.
Obama is the current issue, which is why I posted it. I would say the same with Bush when he was in office. I think he had executive orders as well. Does it still make it right?
GHW Bush used an executive order to prohibit doctors overseas from talking about abortion with patients. Clinton issued an order to reverse this. It was known as the "gag order" when Bush did it. Executive orders do not change the laws, they only clarify existing ones. In this case, he's amending existing orders that I listed. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/30/politics/scotus-obamacare-contraception/ Washington (CNN) -- Some corporations have religious rights, a deeply divided Supreme Court decided Monday in ruling that certain for-profit companies cannot be required to pay for specific types of contraceptives for their employees. ... "The companies in the cases before us are closely held corporations, each owned and controlled by members of a single family, and no one has disputed the sincerity of their religious beliefs," Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the majority opinion.
No, but it makes you hypocritical since Obamas rate is much lower than any president since Grover Cleveland and now all the sudden you (or people) are worried.
were you worried the moment Bush said his first oath? Because...the economy got worse under him (it tanked), he did more EOs, our reputation over seas was ruined under him, he allowed more deaths on our soil by terrorists, he fucked up 2 wars, the debt ACTUALLY increased (and not "fox news told me it increased!"), the bailout that people complained and blamed on Obama was actually under Bush and we were bordering on a depression due to him. Were you peachy keen with him?
I wasn't worried at first, but I definitely was worried his second term. I will be open and concede that Bush was an awful president. But what Obama has done in his two terms has trumped Bush's awfulness tenfold!
TENFOLD! WOW. I didn't realize the economy got ten times worse than the drop under Bush's administration. Or that we went into ten new wars under Obama. Or that taxes went down? up? ten times.
