That's the pain when people go all in emotionally. That can be applied for anything really. Look how Julius defends the democrats. Or maybe those in love. Or as most of us.... Blazer fandom!!!
Yes, the Quran does have hundreds of verses, and probably even more than what is on thereligionofpeace.com. We're getting somewhere. So what's your point?
No, I was just hoping you'd reformulate a better one. I guess we'll go with the original. So, I fail to see how you've provided evidence that ISIS takes the entire Quran literally.
This reminds of the scene in zoolander, where Derek was told the details on how models assassinate government leaders. Then he just asked "so why are models assassins!"
This reminds me of many threads, where it's difficult to follow your train of thought, much less interact with it. But Zoolander was hilarious.
But most of us are willing to go only so far in the name of democrats or the blazers. Religion for some reason can too easily be used to push people kill for their religion. It's not that people don't kill for other reasons too, we all know there are plenty of reasons from oil to pride and everywhere secular too, but my point is that religion is just too commonly bastardized into a reason to kill. I truly believe this world, especially the 1st world nations, are moving away from strong allegiance to religions. I hope this trend ramps up and spreads everywhere.
Just as an aside: I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the Quran/Koran was not the only Moslem "holy" book, and not the one that is the source of the current lunacy. Something about a later book by a descendant of Mohammed that creatively interprets the Koran to crank up Islamic militancy??
It was funny!!! One of my favorite Comedies! I will make one thing clear. I am not knowledgable about Muslim faith. So those quotes of the Quran are just what I read from other interpretations. So ISIS is taking, "chopping the heads off of infidels" literally. Unless that isn't the translation
Well Blazer fans won't kill, but soccer fans have been extremists. In fact, England have a lot of death related fighting of rival fans. I remember in Brazil, there was a ref that was tore from limb from limb, then the head was put on a stick because he stabbed a player. And politics have killed a ton of people. Look no further than the communist party or nazism.
A few knuckle hood soccer fans vs religion, come on, perhaps 1 to 10,000 over the past few decades, and that's being very generous. As far as politics, yep, and that's going to happen with or without religion. But without religion, those warmongering politicians will have more difficulty swaying the masses by pretending they are doing it for a religious cause. I'm not saying religion is to blame for all killing or anything close to that. I'm just saying, as this world moves away from religion (not even necessarily god, just organized religion) it will become harder to sway large groups of people to kill.
It doesn't make sense to be so down on religion. There is only one religion spawning the kill the Infidel mind set. Aim your shots, the spray and pray approach often misses the mark.
But that's what I'm agreeing on. A small group of knuckleheads ruin the name of the belief. If Brigitte is right and the extremists are 25%, there is still billions of peaceful Muslims.
The violent Muslins may be plentiful than their counterparts in other religions, but they still exist in most religions (Quaker and a small handful of super-peace loving religions aside). But one of the biggest problems is that religions continue to breed the us vs them mentality. And even if one side is less extremist than the other, it still precipitates a one-upping atmosphere which will often end in violence.
And hundreds of millions of Muslims whom view violence as an appropriate course of action. Until those numbers dwindle to the infinitesimal numbers of deadly soccer fans, then I will continue to lay some blame on the concept of organized religion.
You are spraying again. The teachings of Jesus, Buddha, do not contain suggestions or commands of intolerance and despicable acts to perform on the non believer. While there were no prophets of Hinduism, I don't think you will find any texts written by the sages that teach intolerance and violence acts to perform. You will find within the Koran many Suras teaching intolerance and many actions to perform on the non believer. Cutting through the veins of the neck are one specific example. I know of no Priests in any religion that issue statement authorizing the kill of any peoples but with the exception of Islam. There are several Fatwas authorizing the killing of Americans and other Infidels. Is that religion? I think not, I think Islam stands alone and does not deserve to be called religion. It has the seeds of hate right in the main text of the basic teachings, and marks it as an entirely different thing than true the religions.
Crusades maybe? Agreed it was a long time ago, but is it your belief that the early popes were not true catholics? Or that the catholic church at that time was not a true religion? barfo
I'll leave Buddhism and Hinduism out because of my lack of knowledge, but the books of Christianity most certainly contain teachings intolerance and promote violent acts. Perhaps not directed at other religions, but directed at women, homosexuals, slaves, misbehaving kids, liars, adulterers and more. Please do not think I am equating the two exactly. But just cause one promotes violence at the level of 10, doesn't mean the other doesn't at a level of 5. As barfo pointed out, the crusades are but one of many non-Muslim violent wars over religion. Granted, Islam does appear the more timely example. Recently. That's a big caveat.
The books upon which that church based it's beliefs are the same books as today. People are fallible and flawed. Religion gives people more power over others than they would otherwise have, and when those individuals overstep their bounds and promote violence or hate, that is the fault of having an organized religion for dicks to exploit. I'm not saying any particular religion is professing X or Y, just that religion gives individuals the right to speak for god and control people on that basis.
