this is where you make it hard to be polite to you..I treat you with respect and you give me snide..my mistake, I tries to treat you as being reasonable..fuck, you can be such a snob
This. You state the obvious. However, I'd add that there's plenty of unrest that you can't pin on Muslims. It just isn't covered the same way. Like Ferguson. We are rich enough to afford high quality crowd control, so it looks different.
What sort of unrest do you think it was that caused that big kid to rob the Korean store owner and then attack the cop in Ferguson? My take is, it was a bad case of stupid, but I await your answer.
Perhaps it is unrest that gets these young dudes up and going Hoo. But I have to ask you what unrest is it that gets these American kids to go join the Jihad? It looks to me like the Muslims and their religion provide the action, the cause to get all jacked up over, and the place to go, let it all hang out for some religious cause that will be acceptable. Acceptable to at least some. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...=KE7EdW6aMnSL7vzSVr42Cg&bvm=bv.74649129,d.cGE
now now don't get your feelers hurt. don't be polite on account of me this is why I'm not here very much anymore. people (including me) take this shit too personally
The article you linked has this to say: "Their lives in the US and Europe lacked a strong purpose. A group such as IS that promises glory, order, and certainty in an idealized Islamic entity (“caliphate”) seems appealing." That last part about an idealized Islamic entity is very important. ISIS, the Taliban, al-Qaeda and others (incorrectly) claim legitimacy by saying they are resurrecting the Islamic caliphate that existed shortly after the death of Muhammed. The first caliphate is widely considered the most "pure" form of Islam as a form of religion and governance. They can then claim that anyone fighting them is against this clearly superior way of living, and therefore enemies of Islam. Its in this nonsense that they can convince uneducated and misinformed American Muslims living thousands of miles away to join the Jihad against whoever it is they're fighting. Hell, many radical groups even put out full color, professional looking, English language recruitment pamphlets. So in short, to answer your question, the conflict that attracts the American Muslims (and others that are not close to the fighting) is an ideological one. Yes, I agree. The only distinction I've been trying to make is that there isn't some aspect of Islam that necessarily makes people act violently. It is certainly used as fuel to the fire, but that fire has to be set somehow.
I have, and I don't disagree the presence of fuel. However, anything can be fuel. The human mind is especially talented at finding meaning in objectively meaningless things.
True, but then some do and the Mosques apparently are lighting the fuel. Jacking the lads up and there you have it. Now you can't win a war if all you do is go bomb the crap out of the lads that got jacked up. You need to get to the head of the snake and his henchmen. I think they are called Imams.
Now now, you wouldn't want to go generalizing. Not that you'd ever do that. Try to be more specific. Which mosques? Which Imams?
Oh I don't know every one, there has to be many and then some. Bridget says there are about 200 million of these guys. Even if it is only half that many, it took a lot of Mosques and Imams to do all that much recruiting. But I am pretty sure we don't have to check out the Mormon Temples or the Catholic churches. Probably not even the atheist hangouts. Obama is going to let us know tomorrow what we are going to do about this thing. I wonder if he knows how to get to the Head of the snake? How to disable the recruiters? I sure hope he has been brushing up on Sun Tzu.
