Apple loves privacy!

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  1. Denny Crane

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    Duh.

    The deal was the cops used to be able to pull you over for a broken tail light and then search your phone for incriminating pictures, browser history, text message history, voice mails, emails, Facebook posts, tweets, etc.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/25/justice/supreme-court-cell-phones/

    Apple is securing the phone, though the cops might torture you to make you give up the password.
     
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    If they were to ask me to unlock my phone and I tell them to eat a dick, they can't go to apple to unlock it with a warrant right?
     
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    No. They claim they can't.
     
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    They can still subpoena your pictures on icloud, browser history (which is synced I believe on Safari), text messages (may be on iMessage in the cloud), voice mails (through your cell phone provider), emails, facebook posts, tweets, etc. The process of getting the unlock code for any code for the phone is probably just as easy, if not easier than getting this information elsewhere. Everything is synced. Icloud and your keychain account. Its a false sense of security if you're serious about privacy.
     
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    Look at "The Fappening". None of that information was leaked by bypassing any of these privacy methods that a police officer or warrant could get off your phone, which you are so excited about. That was all extracted via iCloud vulnerabilities.
     
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    They could, unless you don't update them in iCloud. You have that option. So the only access would be through your phone.
     
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    Sure, you can do that. That phone is pretty useless then.

    The incoming/outgoing emails will still go through a server though. You'd have to use a pop email account through your own hosted server if you really want to be "secure".

    Texts and voicemails are stored by your cell phone provider.

    So I guess if you take photos on your phone, turn off icloud, turn off most features and never download or share them, don't log into facebook, twitter, or gmail and don't use your cell phone or accept voice mail or text messages they won't be able to access anything.
     
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    Right.

    But they can't search it after pulling you over for a busted tail light. Fishing for something bigger to bust you on.

    They actually need to get a warrant, which requires probably cause for the thing they want to bust you on.
     
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    Total hyperbole. The text and phone calls must be on your cellphone provider, but once you use the wifi calling, they won't be able to get them. Also, the phone numbers can only be accessed. They won't have access to the voice calls.

    But whatever the case, it's more secure than google by far. I'm also very grateful that I'm a customer, not a product as Cook explained.
     
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    Who do you use for email?
     
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    They'd need a special unlock code or method of getting into your phone anyway from apple, and that would need a warrant.Most officers are too stupid even if directions were provided to open a phone,they'd need to bring it into the station. They just can't magically open my phone and unlock it.


    The actual real world applications of this "security" is pretty useless as, like I said, most of the information they could get can be taken from cloud services without getting into the phone. The methodology would be the same as well.
     
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    https://www.hushmail.com

    This will actually link into your phone.
     
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    Of course they can if they knew it was your account. If that account is only on your phone, then they can't do shit because they won't know it exist. Your IP is never shown on the email.
     
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    So you check all of your email only through a hushmail app on your phone? You don't download any mail on apples mail program?

    Bottom line is this: This recent press release is essentially useless and is damage control due to the recent leaked celebrity scandals. Android phones are just as secure as iphones and if you think differently you're deluding yourself and drinking Tim Cook's Kool Aid.
     
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    Google services do use your emails for marketing purposes. Not really scared of that personally. websites have cookies, big whoop. If you go online at all, you're not going to have privacy. Its really as simple as that.
     
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    I gotta tell you how funny it is being on the other end of the hater salad. Now I know how annoying the Mac lovers were in the 90's and early 2000's. Doesn't matter what Apple does, the haters will downplay all of it. They will also say "I don't mind being a product than a customer"
     
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    The difference is, I use apple products. I use an imac, macbook, appleTV and an ipad and I like their products. Hell, i'd probably get an iphone too if I could swap out batteries and send emails with multiple attachments on them.

    I just don't drink the Kool Aid and I know what I'm talking about. This press release doesn't mean anything at all and is just smoke and mirrors.
     
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    The cops cannot take your phone to a lab and decrypt it without you giving up the code.

    This is a big change from them being able to make a call to Apple and threaten them with a $250,000 fine if they don't provide back door access.

    If the cops take away my phone, it'll be a brick. I won't give them the pass code.
     
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