<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MrLegend85 @ Dec 28 2006, 05:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He started out a center I believe, and can play center or powerforward.</div>Tim Duncan started out a power forward, because David Robinson was the Spurs center at the time. He has been starting at power forward most of his career, because after Robinson left, Mohammed and Nesterovic played center for the Spurs.
BILL RUSSELLLakers reached the Finals 9 times from 1959 to 1972 losing 7 of them to Russell and those f*cking Celtics.
Give me Tim Duncan of this modern day era, even though the thread name is "Clutchest Bigmen ever," lets get serious -- who was alive to see Bill Russell play basketball? Nobody? Hmm, no surprise to me. Anyhow, back on topic, I'll take The Big Fundamental, simply because of alot of the things he's done on the court, not just his ability to score and shoot the game winner, but it's sort of what Paul Pierce has done over his career in Boston, Tim Duncan shown alot of flare in the 2005 NBA Finals where he was kicking it out to Ginobili and Bowen in that final Game 7. It was another amazing performance by the man wearing the number twenty one Spurs jersey. Oh, and how can I not mention Robert Horry? Or was he just in the right place at the "right" time, as everyone would say? Hmm, go figure, I'll give Horry an honorable mention on this one, whether or not he was in the right place at the right time or what-not. It's alot of pressure on your shoulder to knock down these babies, or just be able to make big plays (defensive stops, passes, etc.) out of them.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Agent0 @ Jan 10 2007, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Give me Tim Duncan of this modern day era, even though the thread name is "Clutchest Bigmen ever," lets get serious -- who was alive to see Bill Russell play basketball? Nobody? Hmm, no surprise to me. Anyhow, back on topic, I'll take The Big Fundamental, simply because of alot of the things he's done on the court, not just his ability to score and shoot the game winner, but it's sort of what Paul Pierce has done over his career in Boston, Tim Duncan shown alot of flare in the 2005 NBA Finals where he was kicking it out to Ginobili and Bowen in that final Game 7. It was another amazing performance by the man wearing the number twenty one Spurs jersey. Oh, and how can I not mention Robert Horry? Or was he just in the right place at the "right" time, as everyone would say? Hmm, go figure, I'll give Horry an honorable mention on this one, whether or not he was in the right place at the right time or what-not. It's alot of pressure on your shoulder to knock down these babies, or just be able to make big plays (defensive stops, passes, etc.) out of them.)</div>That doesn't really matter though. He had nine rings. He was 11-0 in series deciding games. The guy was a horse when it counted, regardless of if you were alive to see it or not.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Nov 22 2006, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tim duncan? He choked in 2005.</div>Yeah the spurs only won the championship that year and he was Finals MVP. Good Call!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>who was alive to see Bill Russell play basketball? Nobody?</div>I was. Well, I was like 9 years old but still.And grizz101, Russ has 11 rings.
I agree with the diaw guy! You have 2 put Robert Horry on that list...and I dont understand how PF's arent considered big men???? I know its mainly the C spot but some PF's are 7'0
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JRICH23 @ Jan 11 2007, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yeah the spurs only won the championship that year and he was Finals MVP. Good Call!</div>hahah...When I saw that he said that, I was saying "is he serious or not"?Hahah...But how can you not list Robert Horry in this for modern day players? Not only did he hit plenty of big shots for the lakers, but he played an AMAZING game in game 5 of the 05' playoffs where he just compleltey went off. Not only did he score like 21 points or something like that off the bench, but he also made the game winner when Sheed left him alone for the 3 ball. He just gets good at the end of games...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Dec 27 2006, 05:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lmao @ how Bill Russell has yet to be mentioned. QUOTERussell is the NBA's greatest winner of all time. He won 11 NBA championships in the 13 years that he played in the NBA, and is credited having raised defensive play in the NBA to a new level.[1]Russell was first and foremost known as one of the most clutch players in the NBA. He played in 11 deciding games (10x a deciding Game 7, once a deciding Game 5), and ended with a flawless 11-0 record. In these eleven games, he averaged 18 points and 29.45 rebounds.[5]QUOTEWiki..If thats not clutch then I don't know what is.</div>I disagree with the part that said he raised defensive play in the NBA. That was Red Holtzman/Willis Reed. The Celtics led the league in defense three times in russell's thirteen years there; slightly above average in an 8 team league. Not only that but they were a below average team two of the seasons russell was there and often couldn't keep their opponents under 100 ppg for the season. On the other hand, the Holtzman Knicks kept a team under 100 ppg for the first time in nearly 15 years and the league responded by playing better defense almost exactly from that point on.
One player does not affect team defense THAT much. One player has maybe a 1-2 PPG affect on a game. The entire defense as a unit is responsible for that.
Bill Russell by far and I couldn't agree more with the Russell posts. This is a guy who came in the league and said I'm going to rebound, play defense, grab garbage buckets, and dominate games in ways that nobody else in the league will. It won him a ring on every finger and one for a toe. All he did was win big games and force his will in each of them. Dominating Finals games is clutch.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I disagree with the part that said he raised defensive play in the NBA. That was Red Holtzman/Willis Reed. The Celtics led the league in defense three times in russell's thirteen years there; slightly above average in an 8 team league. Not only that but they were a below average team two of the seasons russell was there and often couldn't keep their opponents under 100 ppg for the season. On the other hand, the Holtzman Knicks kept a team under 100 ppg for the first time in nearly 15 years and the league responded by playing better defense almost exactly from that point on.</div> It was the 1960's, a team could average 115ppg and be the lowest scoring team in the league. And the Celtics were a GREAT defensive team, most of their wins were blowouts.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yankshater213 @ Jan 20 2007, 03:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One player does not affect team defense THAT much. One player has maybe a 1-2 PPG affect on a game. The entire defense as a unit is responsible for that.</div>so he doesn't effect team defense that much......but he effects league defense significantly? come on.
Russ had a huge effect on team defense, his rebounding alone kept Boston in complete control, his prolific shotblocking (enough to make Dikembe Mutoumbo look like a little bi*ch) intimidated the slashers from going to the hoop. Russell had a PROFOUND effect on the TEAM defense both on the court and in the head.
