Yankees Fire Long...

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  1. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...the stench was from the players...ultimately it is up to them to take the advice of a coach or not.
     
  2. totus44

    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    I know you read Cashman's comments...Long did everything he could, tried every trick, etc. Long was there for what, 7 years? He was hired to coach a much different offense, one we won't see for a while and the team needs to get a fresh perspective. GM and Mgr are the public faces of management, but a lot of things get delegated to subordinates. You have to change up staff from time to time to inject new perspective into the organization. The Steins are keeping their leadership in place which is a signal that there is a plan and they still factor into it. No foolish moves for big trades this off season further demonstrated that. Then looking at the players, I sure Long had long since given up the broken record mantra to Tex to pull the ball, etc. Coaches can get in a rut as do players.

    Big Corps do reorgs all the time, every 3 to 7 years. Why? To shake things up, to break patterns and routines. No difference here. The fact the gm and mgr are still in place is only an indicator of where thing stand now. We don't know if the leashes have been shortened or lengthened. There could be conditions. And in fact the staff shake up may have been one of those conditions. We don't know what we don't know.

    However I see the staff shake up as a positive. Sends a message that change is demanded. Now the players are going to have to reengage with someone new that will be delivering tough critiques....humility good for the soul.
     
  3. Rick2583

    Rick2583 Chairman of the board

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    As I said some time back, the Yankees need a curse jar only instead of curses a thousand dollars goes into the jar every time you don't hit against the shift & get the FREE hit for the team. And when full the money is donated to charity.
     
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    cagedlion "I am the problem, and I am the solution."

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    When the rich boys have to take a stand, they will always fire
    the front end(on field) guys......because they think that's who the public
    is watching.....LMFAO. Hey Steinboys, we are always watching YOU.
    YOU ARE THE OWNERS WHO DON'T HAVE A CLUE.

    Scapegoats are commonplace in sports because these people
    are on field lieutenants.....they will always be the first to go.

    Cashman has been bringing in players well past their prime, or
    players who do not know the fundamentals of baseball.....and
    on and on. He gives the coaches a bunch of garbage and EXPECTS
    them to make them what they never could be,,,,,,great ballplayers.

    Hiring Cashman for 3 more AGONIZING years could spell
    real trouble for this team. Will he continue to draft miserably
    and not stock the farm teams with TALENT? It's how this team
    goes about doing it shoddy business. Cashman is an enigma.
    He deserves what he gave Long and Kelleher...the shaft!

    A fresh perspective would have been firing Cashman first and
    then whomever.

    I JUST DO NOT LIKE THE WAY THIS ORGANIZATION OPERATES.
     
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    Pastafazul Banned User BANNED

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    long , what was his life time batting average? lol, what is every trick in the book? to sum it up. time for change! they should have cleaned house , but they can't cause the steinbros aint about baseball
     
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    I just don't get Kelleher though.
     
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    Just want to say....good post!
     
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    who does it send a message too? the ego's these players have today cannot be penetrated, makin too much money! sports in US will fade.. fans are showin it already
     
  9. yankeesince59

    yankeesince59 "Oh Captain, my Captain".

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    ...so upper management firing lower management is the answer?...when upper management is clearly the problem?

    ..Long?..maybe...but Kelleher?...makes no sense.
     
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    Yeah Long didn't surprise me but I just don't get Kelleher. This whole thing is like 80% of students failing at a particular school & instead of firing the principal & the teachers they fire the janitor.
     
  11. yankeesince59

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    ^^^ pretty much.

    ...who in their right mind truly believes that firing these 2 guys is a difference maker?...and I don't wanna hear the "it sends a message" BS, because it doesn't...I'd like someone to point to a tangible instance where this kind of move turned a woefully mismanaged franchise around.


    ...I'll wait.
     
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    Unless there was a clubhouse issue he caused, I've got nothing...
     
  13. yankeesince59

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    ...like I said earlier, I really wish Jeter would chime in.
     
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    I think, Jeter liked Long.
    Maybe it's no coincidence Long was let go after Jeter retired.
     
  15. totus44

    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    UM canning LM is the typical tool when dealing with a union labor force. You don't expect UM to can themselves do you?
    As for clearly identifying who is responsible, that buck stops with ownership anyway and they are going to punish themselves either.
    Baseball is a business, you can't just look at it as a game.
     
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    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    Good point!
     
  17. yankeesince59

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    ...Jeter cared for Kelleher much more than Long...Jeter and Long were not exactly joined at the hip...the last time a hitting coach helped Jeter, it was Larry Denbo.
     
  18. yankeesince59

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    ...not sure what the union has to do with it...and yes, I expect The Steins who are at the top of the heap of management to recognize who is more culpable between the GM and 2 freaking insignificant coaches.

    ...and I am looking at it as a business, but again, neither Long nor Kelleher were the problem. Do you think the future looks any brighter for this team just because Long and Kelleher were given the axe?


    ...I'll ask again, I'd like for an example of this move actually turning a team around.
     
  19. totus44

    totus44 Lord of the Dark Side

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    The evidence you seek with be in 2015. Now to turn this back at you, show me Long wasn't the problem. I don't see a lot of folks crying about his departure.
     
  20. blgridesagain

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    Here's the latest I've heard re: Long



    It’s tough because I know Kevin’s good at what he does,” Cashman said. “But I’m looking for a different voice maybe with a different message and approach to some degree.”

    “We were able to fix a number of issues, but the one issue we couldn’t fix was the offense,” Cashman said. “We struggled from start to finish with trying to produce consistent runs.”

    One of the challenges for the new hitting coach will be to help players such as McCann and Teixeira hit against the infield shifts opponents routinely employ against them.

    “I’m confident that Kevin has had those dialogues with the players involved,” Cashman said. “I look forward to hiring the right person that will be in the position to communicate the advantages of going against the shift, whether it’s with bunts or going the other way in the right circumstance.

    “We’re going to need a guy that is going to use every tool in the toolbox to maximize somebody’s offensive output. Clearly, working against the shift and adjusting to the shift is something that today’s player — even if they’ve played for a while — has to be open-minded to.”

    Cashman made a point to say the infield’s early season defensive problems were not on Kelleher, who had also served as infield coach for the past six seasons.

    It seems Kelleher’s dismissal had little to do with his job performance, but was done instead to open a spot for at least one new coach. “As you change the dynamic of the staff, it has to come at the expense of some personnel,” Cashman said. “In this case, it’s Mick.”
     

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