<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Nov 28 2006, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are talking about regular season kobe. Kobe plays smart ball during the playoffs, runs the offense. Game 6 was kobe trying to close out the series and he would've been succesful had we got that rebound which led to tt's 3. Kobe bryant isn't stupid. He he has destroyed the mavs through penetration. Man, Josh howard had to clothesline kobe to stop him for driving. Kobe has shown he can adapt. Dallas couldn't stop kobe during the regular season. They haven't been able to stop him for about 3 years. Kobe would've destroyed them by himself.</div>What YOU said a few weeks ago, when I brought up if Amare played the Mavs in the 06 playoffs he would have killed them like the previous year, you said Avery would have made the adjustments. Why not same for Kobe in Finals? When you put pressure on Kobe, he tends to settle more for jumpers, no? What made Wade so effective in Finals was his agressiveness with driving, getting the fouls, and of course taking midrange jumpshots when defense sagged too much. In pressure situations he drove and drove. Remember game 5 in OT when he drove through a double team, blew past another defender and got the foul (alledged foul anyway) called? In that situation Kobe would have taken a tough and contested jumper, or at least that is what he does most of the time in similar situations.No one knows what would have happenned, I'm just adding my 2 cents, here. There is no question Kobe is the better player, and clutch player (although that gap is fairly small), but I don't think he could have better'd what wade did through games 3-6. But it is hard to tell any of this as Kobe is a far different player than Wade, and it would change absolutely everything. I'm done with this, as it is stupid to argue as I feel Kobe is better player and clutch player in 1st place.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Nov 28 2006, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What YOU said a few weeks ago, when I brought up if Amare played the Mavs in the 06 playoffs he would have killed them like the previous year, you said Avery would have made the adjustments. Why not same for Kobe in Finals? When you put pressure on Kobe, he tends to settle more for jumpers, no? What made Wade so effective in Finals was his agressiveness with driving, getting the fouls, and of course taking midrange jumpshots when defense sagged too much. In pressure situations he drove and drove. Remember game 5 in OT when he drove through a double team, blew past another defender and got the foul (alledged foul anyway) called? In that situation Kobe would have taken a tough and contested jumper, or at least that is what he does most of the time in similar situations.No one knows what would have happenned, I'm just adding my 2 cents, here. There is no question Kobe is the better player, and clutch player (although that gap is fairly small), but I don't think he could have better'd what wade did through games 3-6. But it is hard to tell any of this as Kobe is a far different player than Wade, and it would change absolutely everything. I'm done with this, as it is stupid to argue as I feel Kobe is better player and clutch player in 1st place.</div>I agree when he is pressured, he does tend to take the shot, but too bad he scores almost all the time he does shoot. You have seen him shoot those prayers in the air late times in the game, they go in without touching the net.
Just throwing something out there:I remember last year I started a thread about how I was loving Kobe Bryant because he was playing so unselfishly, and said that if he always played unselfishly his team would do better and he would look better.All you idiotic (not an insult, but rather the truth of the matter) Laker fans who would do anything to stick up for your boy said:"No! The only reason passing is working is because of Phoenix's size (The topic started during the PHO - LAL series)"Well this year, Kobe is passing the ball much more frequently and his team is 9 - 5. Even most of you Laker fans up there are saying that. Now don't jump at me. I know Kobe's teammates are playing better, but if you truly believe this is all due to summer workouts something is wrong with you. You guys seriously need to stop being so darn biased. Kobe Bryant is clearly one of Nitro's favorite players, yet he is being realistic in his judgements. I swear, if Kobe his pulled dick out and ejaculated all over Lamar Odom you Laker fans wouldn't say he was homosexual. F*ck...PwN Jo0 :rock:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Nov 30 2006, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just throwing something out there:I remember last year I started a thread about how I was loving Kobe Bryant because he was playing so unselfishly, and said that if he always played unselfishly his team would do better and he would look better.All you idiotic (not an insult, but rather the truth of the matter) Laker fans who would do anything to stick up for your boy said:"No! The only reason passing is working is because of Phoenix's size (The topic started during the PHO - LAL series)"Well this year, Kobe is passing the ball much more frequently and his team is 9 - 5. Even most of you Laker fans up there are saying that. Now don't jump at me. I know Kobe's teammates are playing better, but if you truly believe this is all due to summer workouts something is wrong with you. You guys seriously need to stop being so darn biased. Kobe Bryant is clearly one of Nitro's favorite players, yet he is being realistic in his judgements. I swear, if Kobe his pulled dick out and ejaculated all over Lamar Odom you Laker fans wouldn't say he was homosexual. F*ck...PwN Jo0 :rock:</div>No. At the start of last season, Kobe bryant and phil jackson came to a deal. Since the whole team didn't understand triangle well, kobe bryant would have to carry them basically on his shoulders. Then when the playoffs came around, kobe bryant switched roles and played a team game. Kobe's "1 man show" won us 45 games, the team ball won us 3.Kobe bryant is playing in a role now where he is forced to pass. He is facilitiating the offense. Last season, lamar did it and so the offense looked disfuctional. The reason why were are winning is because a) Kobe is passing moreb) Everyone understands the triangleKobe was forced to take that role on because he was the only one who understood the triangle. Kobe also, is coming off surgery which is limiting his play. He can still average 30 and play within the context if the offense.9-5 is a product of many things. Lamar stepping up, Luke playing well, having shotblocking. It's really hard for a guy who doesn't follow the lakers to look at our record and come to conclusions.
I believe D-Wade could indeed lead the Lakers to a post season. Him and Lamar Odom always played well together so thats something to build on right there. Kobe and Shaq are as far as I know have a new respect for one another judging from what happend last season when they played in LA. I believe Shaq and Kobe would indeed win a title together in Miami.
Kobe's game is more up and down than Wade's. Wade you can almost rely on every game to have a solid game. Occasionally he has a bad game but than has 4 good games. Wade is 30+ most of the time at a high percentage. He was a factor even when he didn't shoot well as shown in that game against Detroit.
I don't think it's possble to compare a 3 year rising star with 1 NBA Championship to a 10 year veteran superstar with 3 Championships and many records and scoring titles.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dagameplayer @ Dec 6 2006, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's possble to compare a 3 year rising star with 1 NBA Championship to a 10 year veteran superstar with 3 Championships and many records and scoring titles.</div>Wade's championship=over the hill ShaqKobe's championships=Shaq in his prime.
Yes but Kobe was a big part of those championships and I don't know about you but I believe Kobe deserved the MVP award on atleast one of those Championship seasons but for some reason they just kept giving it to Shaq. I believe if they would of given the MVP Trophy to Kobe that he should have gotten Shaq would of played it off but then started b!ching about it during the off season and maybe even demand a trade right there early on because his huge ego wouldn't have been able to accept it. Oh and you forgot to mention that Miami had a stacked team winning a championship with not just Shaq but with A-Walk, James Posey, Gary Payton, and Jayson Williams. The year before they failed to do that when they had a regualr yet good team with Eddie Jones, Damon Jones and the rest of the guys that they let go in order to stack there team up with well known NBA stars. The Lakers on the other hand one there championships as a team and I believe they would have won in 04 if they sticked to that plan by resigning Robert Horry instead of going after Karl Malone and Gary Payton. IMO they were fine the way there were.
Kobe deserved the 3rd one because he was going up against one of the best guard defenders in the league. Kobe put up 27-6-5 on 51% shooting against kidd. Shaq destroyed Todd Mcullough and aaron williams.Also mavsfan is one of our most smartest users. Remember when he said dirk was a better passer than kobe? LOL. don't respond to him. He is just too stupid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dagameplayer @ Dec 6 2006, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think it's possble to compare a 3 year rising star with 1 NBA Championship to a 10 year veteran superstar with 3 Championships and many records and scoring titles.</div>I completely think it is possible to compare the two as players. Just because in the past he has won a scoring title, and has 3 rings doesn't mean anything to me. Just because he did that in the past does not mean he is heads and shoulders of a player above D-Wade. I think Wade is easily in the same league with Kobe Bryant, and sometimes may even be a little harder to stop because of how much better he is at penetrating and getting to the basket.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 7 2006, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I completely think it is possible to compare the two as players. Just because in the past he has won a scoring title, and has 3 rings doesn't mean anything. Just because he did that in the past does not mean he is heads and shoulders of a player above D-Wade. I think Wade is easily in the same league with Kobe Bryant, and sometimes may even be a little harder to stop because of how much better he is at penetrating and getting to the basket.</div>Except for the 3 game 30-15 games, wade this season has been guarded pretty well. He is shooting a good 4% lower than he was last season. I'd love to see if wade could dominate with handchecking around. I think Mj said it best. Wade in the handchek era would be just another guy.Also, wade has never seen the defenses kobe has. Kobe is frequently doubled off the ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Dec 6 2006, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Except for the 3 game 30-15 games, wade this season has been guarded pretty well. He is shooting a good 4% lower than he was last season. I'd love to see if wade could dominate with handchecking around. I think Mj said it best. Wade in the handchek era would be just another guy.</div>He has the same type of game that MJ had early in his career, both attacked the basket and shot lots of free throws. I think Wade might even be a little faster with and without the ball than MJ was, so I don't really see how he could say this.He might be shooting a good 4 percent lower, but that is becaues he is taking alot more shots this season, and having to adjust to his team playing alot differently this season than last season. His free throw percentage is up over last year, which is also big because of how much he is shooting free throws. That is what is helping him keep his scoring up, and why he is sometimes harder to stop than Kobe is, because he gets to the line more often than Kobe Bryant does.Wade, James and every other star on the wing has been facing the same type of double teams that Kobe Byrant has with the exception of Tracy Mcgrady this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Dec 7 2006, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also mavsfan is one of our most smartest users. Remember when he said dirk was a better passer than kobe? LOL. don't respond to him. He is just too stupid.</div>Just because Dirk doesn't get a lot of assists doesn't mean he isn't a great passer. Watch some mavs games and you'd know what I'm talking about. Kobe is finally passing now which all I can say is about time. Last year he was a ball hog until the suns series.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 7 2006, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He has the same type of game that MJ had early in his career, both attacked the basket and shot lots of free throws. I think Wade might even be a little faster with and without the ball than MJ was, so I don't really see how he could say this.He might be shooting a good 4 percent lower, but that is becaues he is taking alot more shots this season, and having to adjust to his team playing alot differently this season than last season. His free throw percentage is up over last year, which is also big because of how much he is shooting free throws. That is what is helping him keep his scoring up, and why he is sometimes harder to stop than Kobe is, because he gets to the line more often than Kobe Bryant does.</div>No man. Young MJ was just a freak. The most explosive player I've seen. Just go on youtube and this guy has a collection of single game highlights of young MJ. He is more explosive than wade.Wade's taking 1 shot extra. Teams are adjusting towards him now that they don't have to worry about the big fella. Also, this season kobe has been attacking just as much as wade. Also, kobe doesn't' flap his arms out looking for a foul like wade does. Yet he still gets about 9 freethrows a game.edit: This year. But last year many times kobe was doubled off the ball. Haven't seen that with wad e and lebron.Also mavsfan, I'm not going to respond to people like you anymore. Sometimes I question if you act stupid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Dec 6 2006, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No man. Young MJ was just a freak. The most explosive player I've seen. Just go on youtube and this guy has a collection of single game highlights of young MJ. He is more explosive than wade.Wade's taking 1 shot extra. Teams are adjusting towards him now that they don't have to worry about the big fella. Also, this season kobe has been attacking just as much as wade. Also, kobe doesn't' flap his arms out looking for a foul like wade does. Yet he still gets about 9 freethrows a game.edit: This year. But last year many times kobe was doubled off the ball. Haven't seen that with wad e and lebron.</div>Whatever dude, I'm not even going to pay attention to you when it comes to MJ, because I grew up watching him as well as anyone above the age of 20 on this board. I know from what I have watched that D-Wade is the same type of player that Michael Jordan was early in his career, even from their tendencies of Wade shooting mid range jumpers when having to go to his left, and attacking all the way to the rim when he has the ball on his right hand just the same way Michael Jordan used to early in his career.Drawing fouls, or knowing how to draw fouls is part of being a great attacker. Wade knows how to draw fouls, more than Kobe Bryant does. Just becauase he is attacking as much as Wade, does not mean he is better at it than Dwayne Wade is. Wade can split double teams when dribbling better than Kobe Bryant can, because he has speed to get through them before they close up.Once again, Wade and Lebron are not facing any defenses different from what Kobe has faced this season. So right now, it is completely acceptable to compare Dwayne Wade to Kobe Bryant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Dec 6 2006, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also mavsfan is one of our most smartest users. Remember when he said dirk was a better passer than kobe? LOL. don't respond to him. He is just too stupid.</div>And I really don't think this was called for, Mavsfan in no way attacked you or said anything to you that warranted you attacking him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 7 2006, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And I really don't think this was called for, Mavsfan in no way attacked you or said anything to you that warranted you attacking him.</div>Oh well, you haven't been around enough to see the stuff the guy says. He knows I'm joking too, he is just a big homer and homers come off as being stupid.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Dec 7 2006, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whatever dude, I'm not even going to pay attention to you when it comes to MJ, because I grew up watching him as well as anyone above the age of 20 on this board. I know from what I have watched that D-Wade is the same type of player that Michael Jordan was early in his career, even from their tendencies of Wade shooting mid range jumpers when having to go to his left, and attacking all the way to the rim when he has the ball on his right hand just the same way Michael Jordan used to early in his career.Drawing fouls, or knowing how to draw fouls is part of being a great attacker. Wade knows how to draw fouls, more than Kobe Bryant does. Just becauase he is attacking as much as Wade, does not mean he is better at it than Dwayne Wade is. Wade can split double teams when dribbling better than Kobe Bryant can, because he has speed to get through them before they close up.Once again, Wade and Lebron are not facing any defenses different from what Kobe has faced this season. So right now, it is completely acceptable to compare Dwayne Wade to Kobe Bryant.</div>Nowehere did I say wade wasn't explosive or wasn't close to mj's explosiveness. Just that I don't believe he isn't more explosive. I also don't recall saying Kobe was more explosive and was the better attacker than wade. Kobe's game isn't based around attacking and getting fouls. He is much more complete than that. I guarentee you if wade had a great jumpshot he'd balance his game out like kobe is doing this season.Also, I don't recall wade and lebron being doubled off the ball. Care to explain to me where that has happened? Wade is feeling what kobe felt last season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Dec 7 2006, 03:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh well, you haven't been around enough to see the stuff the guy says. He knows I'm joking too, he is just a big homer and homers come off as being stupid.</div>Lol the irony of this statement. Laker homer #1
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Dec 7 2006, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol the irony of this statement. Laker homer #1</div>Hey!!!. I didn't say I wasn't a homer. I just don't say silly stuff like Kobe is better scorer than mj. You saying Dirk better passer is just being homerish.
