Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? He can't seem to win ball games without Shaq so far this season, The Heat are losing their games by an average of 15 points per game. I'm not sold on the fact that he isn't a good leader yet, I need to see the Heat come playoff time before I make any decision. It also doesn't help that his supporting cast is border-line horrible.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? Well, theres very, VERY few young players who are "leaders". They rarely come around and when they do they are very good (Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Chris Paul), I just think Wade hasnt HAD to be the leader. Hes always had players like Damon Jones, Eddie Jones and of course Shaq. So I think he will be a leader, but hes not that right now. Anyways, kindve like AI, he leads by his play. Hes pretty quite alotve the time.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? Nope. How on earth is he supposed to will the ball in for his teamates? He hasn't had rest and his teamates are absolute trash. He carried a team from 0-2 down, you can't question his leadership.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 23 2006, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He can't seem to win ball games without Shaq so far this season, The Heat are losing their games by an average of 15 points per game. I'm not sold on the fact that he isn't a good leader yet, I need to see the Heat come playoff time before I make any decision. It also doesn't help that his supporting cast is border-line horrible.</div>Everyone has always used this point in arguements about how Wade is better than LeBron. But Wade has never had to lead the team by himself, he has never started as the out-right all-star and the guy everyone is targeting. Odom and Eddie Jones were those guys his rookie year and then he had Shaq who helps take that away. Now he is soley the only guy out there. In the Spurs game he was getting some of his first taste (that I have seen) of getting tripple teamed and not having the players to get him out of it. He hasn't impressed me yet in this situation. It is one of the first times he has had to do it though, so it isn't fair to judge him right now. Give him so time to get used to being the "sole target" by other teams. Then I will decide.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 23 2006, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He can't seem to win ball games without Shaq so far this season, The Heat are losing their games by an average of 15 points per game. I'm not sold on the fact that he isn't a good leader yet, I need to see the Heat come playoff time before I make any decision. It also doesn't help that his supporting cast is border-line horrible.</div>I don't think it's a matter of leadership. I think Wade is the only player on his team that's motivated. Mostly Miami is made up of has-beens who are just waiting for the playoffs. Last year was a special thing. I think the players like Gary Paton, ZO, Antoine Walker, and Jason Williams are only focused on winning another ring. Unfortuantley, I think that they believe it's a given that they will make the playoffs, and don't need to play very hard in order to save their (old) bodies for the playoffs. Dwayne Wade is the only player motivated to win as many regular season games as they can. Wade can't lead his team by himself because his teamates aren't helping. Not only are they making lazy plays, they're not puting him in a posistion where he can count on them to follow his lead. I think Wade is trying his best, but the other players are on cruise control for the regular season.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Nov 24 2006, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Everyone has always used this point in arguements about how Wade is better than LeBron. But Wade has never had to lead the team by himself, he has never started as the out-right all-star and the guy everyone is targeting. Odom and Eddie Jones were those guys his rookie year and then he had Shaq who helps take that away. Now he is soley the only guy out there. In the Spurs game he was getting some of his first taste (that I have seen) of getting tripple teamed and not having the players to get him out of it. He hasn't impressed me yet in this situation. It is one of the first times he has had to do it though, so it isn't fair to judge him right now. Give him so time to get used to being the "sole target" by other teams. Then I will decide.</div>Who cares. In the playoffs, it was all wade. He was incredibly clutch in the playoffs in his rookie season. Lebron's on the other hand in his rookie season was the ultimate chokejob. Wade led his team in the 2005 players to 2 straight sweeps without SHAQ. 2 sweep. Last season he single handedly won his team a championship. And I mean single handedly.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? I think he leads more by example and his aura. Teammates feed off that perhaps, and are fueled to play harder.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Nov 24 2006, 12:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares. In the playoffs, it was all wade. He was incredibly clutch in the playoffs in his rookie season. Lebron's on the other hand in his rookie season was the ultimate chokejob. Wade led his team in the 2005 players to 2 straight sweeps without SHAQ. 2 sweep. Last season he single handedly won his team a championship. And I mean single handedly.</div>No. Not single handledly. That last play where Terry took that shot at the end of the series, that was all Gary Payton. Sure without Wade they wouldn't have won it, Wade was amazing, you can't take that away from him. But it wasn't all Wade. Even though on the box score Shaq wasn't a factor, just having that guy out on the court is a factor. You don't win a championship by yourself. Wade had a legend as a coach, and you can go on about how the players helped. Did Wade have to guard Dirk?You can argue that Jame was a "chokejob" his rookie season. But he did come straight out of high school, even though you can't exactly use that as an excuse, it is for sure a factor. Even Kobe Bryant air balled and missed his first game winners in his rookie season. Which, by the way, LeBron had a way better rookie season than Kobe. LeBron's rookie season was better than Kobe's sophomore on a individual level aswell.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Nov 23 2006, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Everyone has always used this point in arguements about how Wade is better than LeBron. But Wade has never had to lead the team by himself, he has never started as the out-right all-star and the guy everyone is targeting. Odom and Eddie Jones were those guys his rookie year and then he had Shaq who helps take that away. Now he is soley the only guy out there. In the Spurs game he was getting some of his first taste (that I have seen) of getting tripple teamed and not having the players to get him out of it. He hasn't impressed me yet in this situation. It is one of the first times he has had to do it though, so it isn't fair to judge him right now. Give him so time to get used to being the "sole target" by other teams. Then I will decide.</div>Without Shaq this year he has averaged 27/8/5 without Shaq. Right now you have Walker/Payton/Haslem/Kapono combining for nights like 5-22, and it's just ugly. The team outside of Wade has no energy, and he is giving it his all. The Heat outsid eof him are playing like pure sh*t. And in playoffs he was getting doubled by mavs and still putting up 40PPG through last 4 games, still hitting GW's, still having monster 4th quarters, etc...And bron choked BIG time in 04-05 and he had 2 good low post presences in Z and Gooden, good PG in Eric Snow, etc... I don't give him much flak for his rookie season, but 04-05 was inexcusible. In 05-06 he had more than enough to get the 4th seed.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Nov 24 2006, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No. Not single handledly. That last play where Terry took that shot at the end of the series, that was all Gary Payton. Sure without Wade they wouldn't have won it, Wade was amazing, you can't take that away from him. But it wasn't all Wade. Even though on the box score Shaq wasn't a factor, just having that guy out on the court is a factor. You don't win a championship by yourself. Wade had a legend as a coach, and you can go on about how the players helped. Did Wade have to guard Dirk?You can argue that Jame was a "chokejob" his rookie season. But he did come straight out of high school, even though you can't exactly use that as an excuse, it is for sure a factor. Even Kobe Bryant air balled and missed his first game winners in his rookie season. Which, by the way, LeBron had a way better rookie season than Kobe. LeBron's rookie season was better than Kobe's sophomore on a individual level aswell.</div>Why are you bringing in kobe? This is about wade. Lebron was a choke job. Wade was clutch. Kobe bryant didnt even get minutes in his rookie season. Can't compare them.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Nov 23 2006, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why are you bringing in kobe? This is about wade. Lebron was a choke job. Wade was clutch. Kobe bryant didnt even get minutes in his rookie season. Can't compare them.</div>Seriously, Kobe didn't even start in his rookie season because the coaching staff thought that Eddie Jones was a superstar.... :no1: This is the same case with him his sophmore year in which he did get more minutes but still not enough IMO. Also LeBron was alot more prepared for the NBA than Kobe was back then. Kobe was skinny as F*ck and need to eat something.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Melo061 @ Nov 24 2006, 12:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why are you bringing in kobe? This is about wade. Lebron was a choke job. Wade was clutch. Kobe bryant didnt even get minutes in his rookie season. Can't compare them.</div>I just brought up Kobe because he is another high schooler who people hoped would make an impact right away. He was also a player that wasn't that good his rookie season compared to LeBron and was called upon to make big shots, he didn't at first. Look at him now, there is no way you can't say Kobe isn't clutch. Give LeBron time and he will get there. It is still early in his career.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Nov 24 2006, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just brought up Kobe because he is another high schooler who people hoped would make an impact right away. He was also a player that wasn't that good his rookie season and was called upon to make big shots, he didn't at first. Look at him now, there is no way you can't say Kobe isn't clutch. Give LeBron time and he will get there. It is still early in his career.</div>Do you know how old kobe was when he choked? I believe he was 19. He actually said he wanted to take the shot. Lebron untll recently (last season) was garbage in the clutch and was afraid to take shots. Anyways this isn't about kobe. This is about wade's leadership. I believe wade is the better leader and player.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Nov 24 2006, 12:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He can't seem to win ball games without Shaq so far this season, The Heat are losing their games by an average of 15 points per game. I'm not sold on the fact that he isn't a good leader yet, I need to see the Heat come playoff time before I make any decision. It also doesn't help that his supporting cast is border-line horrible.</div> You question his leadership...because he has yet to win without Shaq over the past week? He led Marquette to the final 4 in dominant fashion, helped lead a perimeter oriented Miami Heat team into the playoffs a couple years ago, led his team to the title last season and put everything on his back...
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? I dont think that you can blame any team for going down the shitter when you lose one of the most dominate big men of all time.All that Alonzo can do is block a shot here and there, and grab a board. He's useless for them right now because everyone is getting beat off the dribble and he's in foul trouble from tip-off.Wade's doing all he can. The Lakers werent very good without Shaq either.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Nov 24 2006, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I just brought up Kobe because he is another high schooler who people hoped would make an impact right away. He was also a player that wasn't that good his rookie season compared to LeBron and was called upon to make big shots, he didn't at first. Look at him now, there is no way you can't say Kobe isn't clutch. Give LeBron time and he will get there. It is still early in his career.</div>None of us are in the locker rooms or attend practices. Therefore, none of us can judge how good of a 'leader' any single player is.For gods sake, these guys are in the NBA. They know how to play basketball, and if you ask me, the word 'leadership' in the NBA is pointless because at some point in their careers, they were all leaders and they all know basketball.NBA teams need guys to keep people's heads up and make sure no one's f*cking up. Thats the only areas if you ask me that a team needs a 'leader.'
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KWebb5 @ Nov 24 2006, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think that you can blame any team for going down the shitter when you lose one of the most dominate big men of all time.All that Alonzo can do is block a shot here and there, and grab a board. He's useless for them right now because everyone is getting beat off the dribble and he's in foul trouble from tip-off.Wade's doing all he can. The Lakers werent very good without Shaq either.</div>That just about sums it up. They dont have a true inside presence now on the offensive end and Zo gets in foul trouble way to easily. So then, you are stuck with either Doleac or Simien at the center spot...which is awful. Udonis Haslem isnt good playing with his back to the basket. He thrives off of his midrange game which IMO hurts the team. They have no chemistry and Wade finds himself trying to do it all which makes him force turnovers. This just shows that a declining Shaq is still very useful.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 24 2006, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You question his leadership...because he has yet to win without Shaq over the past week? He led Marquette to the final 4 in dominant fashion, helped lead a perimeter oriented Miami Heat team into the playoffs a couple years ago, led his team to the title last season and put everything on his back...</div>Bingo. I don't think you can blame Wade's leadership on Miami struggles of late. Of course the team is going to diminish when you lose Shaquille O'Neal, and his inconsistant teammates (and not having his starting PG there) aren't helping one bit. Toine is playing HORRIBLY, J-Will is out, Payton/Zo are aging and it shows, Wright is getting his first ounce of playing time so he's new to everything, Posey hasn't been "Big Game James" this year (except that game winning 3 I saw him hit). Haslem is playing well, that's basically it. Everyone else is out of sinc and they are screwing up.But, Miami is a second half (of the season) team. After the All-Star break they will pick it up, and they'll be ready/hungry by playoff time. You can't question the leadership of Wade just because they havn't played well lately (with no Shaq/J-Will).
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? No, they obviously just cant win ball games because the rest of the team sucks. Im sorry, but DWade can only do so much. The supporting cast seems too old and tired to me, and they cant seem to put the ball in the basket without Shaq. Jason William's return will help, but they might still struggle.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Nov 24 2006, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That just about sums it up. They dont have a true inside presence now on the offensive end and Zo gets in foul trouble way to easily. So then, you are stuck with either Doleac or Simien at the center spot...which is awful. Udonis Haslem isnt good playing with his back to the basket. He thrives off of his midrange game which IMO hurts the team. They have no chemistry and Wade finds himself trying to do it all which makes him force turnovers. This just shows that a declining Shaq is still very useful.</div>I wouldnt go as far as saying that Miami sucks without Shaq. They still have quality players; Williams, Haslem, Flash, Gary is still servicable and Walker can be decent if kept under control, and Alonzo is a quality big man if they can keep him in the game. In my opinion there still a playoff team, but Shaq puts them in the hunt, plus some. To be honest, Shaq just standing on the court makes them a very good team.
Re: Do you question Dwyane Wade's leadership? Well, Wade went for 33pts/15asts/5rbs/3stls/2blks....and they LOST TO THE MAGIC!!
