"OFFICIAL" Around the NBA - November Thread

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Man, my fantasy team is sucking serious balls. Westbrook got hurt, Lance Stephenson is a bust so far, and Noah/Drummond have been a pretty big disappointment so far. I have Noah, Drummond, Monroe, and I'm getting crushed on the boards. It doesn't make any sense.

 

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This is quite possibly one of the most homerific posts I've ever seen in my life. Holy crap dude. I get that the NBA is what it is, and stars get calls, but come ON. You think he is getting 18 FTA legit? I mean... seriously? Harden is the most manufactured star I've ever seen. Practically half his points come from the stripe.

 

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I honestly and truly mean this in the nicest and most sincere way possible, if that is fun and enjoyable for you to watch as a fan then I feel really really sorry for you. Legit or efficient or not it's gross and disappointing as an opposing fan. It's not basketball in my opinion but to each their own opinion.

 

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i dunno... stephenson is doing alright to me given his situation... just a few less points.

but yeah, wtf is up with noah?

 

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Probably has something to do with Gasol.

 

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If you say so man, how is your post not biased? Do you have any proof of what you say? Just that he averages 18 FTA per game(He doesn't) says nothing, just like saying that Harden played great defense last year because he got a few steals per game said nothing about his defense. It's funny because Miami fans that actually watched the game said nothing about flopping. So when did he flop in the previous game?

18 FTA per game isn't even accurate right now, and Michael Jordan averaged more FTA per game so I guess he was also a manufactured star. Lebron James as well...manufactured star...and Kobe Bryant as well...all Manufactured stars...

Or there is one thing they all have in common with James Harden...they all drive the lane a lot (except for Kobe at times) which nets you a lot of FTs.

Do you as a fan enjoy watching centers like Robin Lopez play post defense on Dwight by flopping? There is a reason why low post offense is disappearing in the NBA, and it's not because there are less skilled centers. It's because players like Robin Lopez whose idea of post defense against stronger opponents is to get the other guy in foul trouble by falling down when the stronger player backs him down. Which is why guys like Al Jefferson succeed because he's a finesse big men on offense, if you bring power to the post nowadays it is a foul, thanks to the refs rewarding guys like Robin Lopez when they fall back flail their arms instead of actually establishing a good base and keeping their man from backing them into the paint. That's disgusting to me, man up and play defense like they did in the 90s. Keep a strong base and keep your man out of the paint.

But Harden simply slashing into the lane is an affront to the game now. Not how the NBA has made the power center an extinct species now. Now tall lanky guys and stretch 4s play centers now.

 

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Show me where Jordan averaged 18 attempts per game average. Link?

Lopez never flops against Howard. Pulling shit out of your ass isn't proof

 

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I guess this is where my comment about each person is welcome to their own opinion comes in because that is nuts. I can't recall Lopez being labeled as a flopper. Not to say he never has but then again every player has.

But if you don't believe me then go to Google and search for Robin Lopez flopping. What did you find? Not much if anything. Now go ahead search for James Harden flopping. I'll be here in a few hours when you are done reading through them all.

If you think that a center like Lopez's post defense is killing the game more than Harden's flopping and excessive fouls then there is no point in discussing/arguing this any further because your homer level is off the charts.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

 

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Guess what, Harden doesn't average 18 FTA per game either, neither has he ever averaged that many FTA. Jordan is 5th all time in total FTs taken...Jordan went to the line a ton, only guys who had more trips to the line are Big O, Kobe, Moses Malone, and Karl Malone.

 

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How many flop warnings did Jordan get?

 

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Oh come on! Don't do a disservice to yourself and compare free throw attempts from Jordan to Harden. I am more than willing to admit that Harden is a good or even great player. Why is it so hard for you to admit that the free throw attempts with Harden are out of control?

 

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Because flopping and selling the post offensive charge is seen as normal and is even taught now. A few clips about a Harden flop does not prove that he then flops on most of his shots. That's the point.

So how many of those clips are flops where he actually has the ball? Which is again missing the point, that he gets the majority of his whistles driving into the paint. Getting a offball whistle while flopping on a screen doesn't even result in FTs all the time...

The only comparision here is that guys that slash the lane with ease get a lot of whistles. IF you look at the FTA for star players like Lebron and Jordan you see the comparison there, both were guys that attacked the rim whenever they wanted to.

Is Harden that level of player, no...but he does attack the rim...A LOT. His shot chart reveals this in cold blooded numbers.

Guys who attack the rim get a lot of whistles. Some nights the refs get a little happy and call every touch and some nights they don't.

0 because there was no such thing as flop warnings then.

 

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Is this clown saying Jordan flopped? Man, he took it to the rack strong on the regular and got leveled to the ground. He EARNED his damn free throws.

 

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The greatest player to ever play the game http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html averaged 8.2 FTA per game.

James Harden is averaging 12.8 FTA per game this season. The attempts are out of control. He's a notorious flopper that has been warned by the league on several occasions. Only a myopic Houston fan would try and defend him.

 

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Flopping looks a lot worse now that hand checking is not allowed. Jerry Sloan as a player was a master at the flop before they even called it that. He coached it to perfection

 

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Damn, I tried to warn myself before that it was a pointless discussion with you and you successfully pulled me right back in. Well done. If Harden's play is what makes you happy as a fan then more power to you. Good luck to your team this year.

 

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Ummm...Harden also is leveled many times per game. Not sure what your point is here. My point isn't that Jordan flopped, my point is that he drove into the lane a lot and thus received a lot of FTs.

Don't worry, he's not going to average 13 FTAs per game. Jordan had years where he averaged over 10 FTAs per game though and all of the best slashers average around and above 8 FTAs per game like Harden does.

Although he doesn't take as many useless stepback 3s so far any more so he may average around 9-10 this year. Still who knows, some nights refs call every thing and some nights they call nothing.

That's certainly true, they still did flop back then too. The NBA was so physical back then though so yeah it was easier to get away with it.

It is pretty pointless, no one can prove that the flops he takes even result in FTs much less to say that the majority of his points come off flopping is quite frankly disrespectful to how skilled a player he is. Saying that the majority of his points come off flopping is unproven and simply not true. If it was true, then teams would not double him...what would be the point then?

 

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Give it up Tex. Harden is the biggest flopper in the NBA, and thus, a cheater. It's obvious and everyone knows it.
What's worse is that he'll disappear when it really matters, when guys like Lillard do not.

 

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So then you admit that Harden is getting to the line "WAY TOO MUCH" so far this season. Thanks for playing.. We can move on now.