"OFFICIAL" Around the NBA - November Thread

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If it was just the Blazers fan base calling Harden a flopper and no one else this would be one thing but its EVERY fan base and the media that talks about his flopping all the time. Its a legit skill because it gets him to the line, Harden has mastered it to the point that Wade had 4 years ago, his ability to control his body and make it look like any contact is a full blown body check gets him to the line more then him actually being fouled. No one is saying he doesn't get some FT's from actual fouls but its that he gets so many of his FT's from being like those "wacky inflatable arm flailing tube man".
Now getting mad and calling Lopez a flopper is just ridiculous. Lopez hardly flops and he sure as hell didn't flop that much against Howard, he fell a few times but when you have the strongest man in the NBA pushing you around no matter who you are sometimes you are just going to go down.

 

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What about that game...nah nevermind.

No, just that only 5 games have been played so numbers are skewed right now. He'll have nights where he won't get to the line too and nights where he will go because of how different refs call games differently naturally.

There is a difference though and saying a guy is a flopper and saying that his game is dictated on that. His game is dictated on slashing. Not flopping, it's just that slashing nets you a lot of FTs. The way you stop Harden is to keep him from slashing, otherwise you are giving up FTs or Layups. This is why Paul George has good games against Harden and Harden has terrible nights against PG. Not because he can't get fouls, but because he can't even really get into the lane like he's used to and is regulated to shooting 3s and he's a streaky shooter any ways.

Chris Paul, Manu, Blake Griffin...floppers...but that does not mean their game is built around that. Also, I disagree that many fanbases say that his game is built around flopping, I do lurk a lot of forums and I don't see it many places. Yeah people say he's a dirty flopper and meh I don't care, every team has floppers...but they can still respect that he's the best SG in the NBA. The Miami fans last night "Harden is a beast..." and "Unstoppable." and "Harden vastly outplayed Wade." and you can still say he's a flopper. But this idea that he's manufactured and that he can't score without going to the line just isn't true. My point is that driving the lane isn't flopping to me.

Also, I don't watch Robin Lopez every night so I don't know. I do watch Howard every night and I watched Yao every night and it does piss me off how many guys...stretch 4s no less, get away with guarding Howard by falling down and flailing around. But there was just a time where being weak in the post and overpowered just meant bad luck for you. So when I see guys fall down and it's something Rocket fans see every night...He even got a foul for posting up on a guard, guard falls down...offensive foul. Refs punished him for being stronger against a guard...as if there was any other result in him being guarded by a guard. I just wish they would go back to if you weren't strong enough to guard the opposing post player, you pay for that. Not force a power post player like Dwight to learn moves like Hakeem because that's never going to happen. But rant on that over.

 

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I didn't say he is averaging 18 fta I said he got 18 fta which he did a couple games ago.

Listen, if you can't see it I'm not going to try to explain it to you. The guy has been fined for flopping. He's one of the worst offenders in the league. If you can't see it, that's on you.


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Flop or no flop, Michael Jordan got more superstar calls than anyone in history. MJ could scream at refs and rarley get T'd up or ejected from a game. He was such a marketing giant for the NBA that he'd stay on the court no matter what he did. MJ traveled, palmed the ball and got away with a lot but he was showtime and he was great fun to watch. Payton said it best, they don't let you play defense anymore. The game has changed. Charles Oakley would have fouled out in the first quarter of the modern game

 

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I watched the Blazers game last night on the Cavs broadcast and I have to say, those guys are pretty good imo. Not too homerish.

 

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Sounds like someone needs to familiarize themselves with "The Jordan Rules".

No, Harden is not "leveled several times a game". Just because he spends so much time falling down does not mean he gets leveled. The way the Pistons used to tackle Jordan on every drive would be considered flagrant fouls in today's NBA (unnecessary and excessive contact). Chuck Daley told his players that every time Jordan drove the lane, he was to get knocked on his ass, that sooner or later he'd get tired of it and stop driving. That's the exact opposite of James Harden's situation. He doesn't fear getting knocked on his ass, he LOVES to drive the lane because if anyone even breathes on him he can flail about and get an automatic two FTs.

Watching James Harden play makes me nostalgic for the way the NBA used to be played.

BNM

 

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It's a complete farce. Every non-Houston fan all over the county is disgusted by it. But the NBA doesn't care.

 

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It's Hansbrough. He probably warranted it.

 

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That is great!

 

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Can you imagine if that was your team? You had to root for the Sprockets? Barf. I'd start watching women's curling.

 

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Yep agreed. Jordan got away with a lot.

Ha, Harden takes plenty of hard fouls. I don't know, maybe you watch him play more than me though. I know there are Rocket fans that fear he has a career trajectory of Wade which means he's going to start racking up injuries because he throws his body at the rim more than most players. But hey, if people think Harden doesn't get hit then that's on them. Also it's a big myth that he justs drives into the lane looking for fouls and not points, that he just drives and flails about is also some BS, evidenced by the number of and 1s he gets. So much that on the inside of his signature shoe it says "3 The Harden Way".

Most of the people that say his FTs aren't deserved can't prove it. Go through the game, watch every play in which he receives two FTs and honestly say "He wasn't touched there..." until there is proof that he gets most of his points off of bad calls it sounds more like opposing fans whining that their defense can't keep the guy out of the paint.

 

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Someone's barking up the wrong tree. Any of these superstar shooting performances sound vaguely familiar?

8/28 FGs
3/14 3FGs

6/19 FGs
2/5 3FGs

13/35 FGs
3/11 3FGs

9/21 FGs
3/11 3FGs

5/15 FGs
1/7 3FGs

No, that's not Kobe's first five games this season, that's Harden's first five games in the playoffs last season. That's a combined 41/118 = .347 FG% and 12/48 = .250 3FG%.

So, why would we be whining about our defense not being able to keep Harden out of the paint, when clearly we can - when it counts the most.

BNM

 

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great point

 

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Nah, that was a general statement to those who keep saying that the whole league says it. I'm saying yes, yeah they do because after a loss a fans natural response is to blame the refs. Thus "Harden gets so many FTs!" you hear from other fanbases (Although, Miami fans didn't resort to that last night) I was here (on this forum) after the Rockets loss, Harden had a bad series that's not opinion but fact. I congratulated you guys team then though as they did a good job (Wes mainly) on keeping him out of the paint and frustrating him...and he didn't get that many FTs that series IIRC which continues to prove my point that a guy that gets into the lane a lot just draws a lot of whistles. Sure some of them are not warranted but some surely are and they always benefit the aggressor.

 

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Haha a few less points... The guy has been going 1-6 and playing so bad that he has been benched the entire 4th quarter twice.

 

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As far as the whole harden argument goes... In my opinion his FTA in the regular season are nothing for anyone to worry about. We saw he didn't get flop calls this regularly in the playoffs. Sad for a fan of that team, hardens antics may keep them in the playoff hunt, but they will never win because his style of play does not adhere to what is required in the playoffs.

 

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This is my last post on Harden here. This idea that he has had no success in the playoffs is straight up not true. The guy has had good series, great series even lol. (Ask Spurs fans...) Not sure, I guess one bad finals series and one bad series last season means that every year forever he's going to have bad series. Which is funny because every player has a bad series or two throughout their career lol.

As for him not getting calls, lol his first series in a Rockets uniform he averaged 11 FTA. Refs still call fouls in the playoffs guys, ask Mavs fans what they think about Wade.

 

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I'm just amazed that his head is still firmly on his neck after the thousands of times he snaps it back. Must be screwed on real tight.

 

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Good. I was afraid you'd run out of misguided angles.