Have to disagree. You go to a guy posing as a doc that seems legit, helping other big name stars, etc. You ask if this is on the up and up, says its vitamins and natural products...he even had product lit that looks authentic. I'm sorry, you want these kids to get samples and have them go to the handy MLB drug analysis lab? Bosch was a drug dealer bent on getting people hooked on the results. I agree with your take in were talking BALCO, but Biogenesis was a much different situation.
TOTE: Can you answer the last paragraph of this thread, and provide your 2 cents, dime, quarter or Andrew Jackson, Ben Franklin; would be better..??? You know, I hate to say this, as I have said some very strong words over PED Users, yet all along, I realize its only a matter of years, perhaps a decade, before MLB wakes up and allows certain Steroids for Post Surgical Recovery. Hell, you or I could have major surgery, and obtain Roids other than Cortisone in a Hospital to knock down inflammation; arthritic joints, muscles, et al. Only for Post Surgery recovery tho, not for Enhanced Play, but enhanced recovery. After all that is a Surgeon's approach if necessary for a serious surgery to heal quicker, and not allow inflammation to grow exponentially out of control.... I do believe this could easily be done, reported, and waivers filed by a Player after PS, yet continue to be monitored for a specific amount of time, until said player is healed and rehabbed, ready to play ball..... Hell I don't know, just saying.....I do foresee this happening in the future, while MLB continues to monitor for Enhancement Drug Use.....I don't foresee a prob, unless I am missing something. At the same time, masking agent testing should be in place in how long????
...one more time..."ignorance is no excuse". ...and you're talking about theoretical scenarios...I'm talking about factual events. ...the ole "the dog ate my homework" does not wash here. He knew the rules and he broke them, plain and simple. Spin it however you want but the kid got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Rob, there already is a "waiver request" process as part of the drug testing policy. Recall ARod qualified for a low T exemption, which was legit...he was seriously low natural T production. But not because of genetics, because he had been abusing synthetic T analogs ("steroids") and shrunk his own nads. Now this is going to be the next avenue for abuse. Guys with legit waivers for substance X.....takes a boutique PED that is designed to be masked by X metabolites. We called them JANUS compounds....basically two drugs liked together to allow their individual effects in synergy. I could easily design a steroid to look like an anti inflammatory from a routine blood test. It would take some seriously advanced protocols to isolate and determine the "cheat".
OK so in the 60s, 70s, 80s you never consumed one thing only to learn later it was something else? Come on, lol! Look my point here is simple, on one that you can agree to....the only facts you have is that he tested positive for something (we don't have the technical data) and he like a dozen others just accepted to suspension unchallenged. You are determining intent from that, and you can't determine intent from the partial facts available. I content, based on the witnesses own statements, that he unknowingly agreed to take PED substances. I also can't prove intent, but the facts also make my version equally as plausible. We cannot lump all positive tests in the same camp of intents. You're gonna tell me that Cervelli and Pettite had the same intent as Giambi, Sheffield, Clemens and ARod? If you are than I'm just not going to respond anymore to your comments on this subject because we're at an unreconcilable impasse. Peace out.
I guess this is where the phase, "You're making a federal case out of this" comes from. I mean holy shit, all I said was that Cervelli because of his suspension will always have the PED label hanging over him which sadly is a true statement. No need to turn it into a fucking novel. WOW!
Lol! Ron, Cervelli tested positive, fact. To say he got caught implies he tested positive knowing that his actions (that resulted in said positive test) were in direct violation of the MLB drug policy. You can't prove that. And I'm saying in absence of that proof, you must consider that alternatives exist for positive tests. Can you even tell me what he tested positive for? All we know is it wasn't steroids. Its perfectly fair to mention other players by comparison. Andy talked about HGH as a means to recover, wasn't looking for a competitive advantage. In Cisco's case he knew a detailed list of things he had to avoid. All the details of the Bosch deal aren't known yet, but he has a record of giving patients one thing and telling them another. He's a con man. I think the reason no one fought the 50 game suspensions had to do with a deal between the MLB and the Feds. They were going after guys with demonstrated intent to cheat, thus the Braun and ARod suspensions. It seems like you are equating Cervelli in that camp and I think that's a mistake. Anyway, I think its unwise to view these things as "black and white" situations. Unless we can prove intent, PED positive players have to be subjectively reviewed. Otherwise what's to stop someone slipping a Micky to Trout and betting against the Angels? And as far as being able to prove intent to cheat, if that happens than the punishment should be lifetime ban and wipe the record clean of that players record.
Exactly. Not my fault 59 refutes logic. By his treatment, you can destroy any MLB players career with little effort. All that's required is a positive test. No qualifiers, no circumstances, nothing. You test positive and you intended to cheat. The must practice Sharia law down in Arkansas.
Yes I know its dead I just feel like shooting it again......and again.......and again............and again..........
...wow, where do I begin?...first off, I don't think rick was in any way agreeing with you. ...secondly, you claim I refute "logic" but it's only your logic...while you refute actual facts. ....check. ...and how many times have I addressed the "intent" angle?...3 times?...4 times? ...and you claim to have addressed "circumstance", but only with your own hypotheticals?...check. ...and exactly whose "career has been destroyed"?...I'll wait. And exactly who "tested positive"?...I'll wait for that too. ...And I don't live in Arkanfuckingsas.
I could use your help as a Lawyer, no kidding, in a Civil Suit I filed..... Not trying to patronize anyone, just the facts.....!
How are you clowns doing? This was an ok deal. Thought the Yanks could have packaged Cervelli up and gotten a bit more but let's not overvalue the fist pump. The guy had a hard time staying healthy.
Been well guys, missing baseball. Came over to get myself reacquainted before we start talking about Andrus as a Yank How long until pitchers and catchers?
