Ainge offering everything and anything for Pau Gasol

So now that the NBA knows Ainge is desperate, whos here to take advantage of him?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nba dogmatist @ Nov 26 2006, 10:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>something along the lines of Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak, Al Jefferson. Or Telfair, Jefferson, Ratliff and a pick or two.</div>I dont think they would have any use for Wally....They have enough players at that position. I think that your 2nd trade would probably be the best. Even though they would probably want perkins instead of ratliff.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Nov 26 2006, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont think they would have any use for Wally....They have enough players at that position. I think that your 2nd trade would probably be the best. Even though they would probably want perkins instead of ratliff.</div>well, it doesn't hurt to have another shooter, and Eddie Jones will probably leave when his contract expires this year. Plus, it doesn't hurt to have more talent. they can always just move wally or someone else later on in the season or during the summer.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Nov 26 2006, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So now that the NBA knows Ainge is desperate, whos here to take advantage of him?</div>
Ainge isn't desperate, and nobody is going to take advantage of him. Ainge won't just make a trade for the sake of making a trade. And he overvalues the youth, so he won't get ripped off if we do make a trade.

But why would you even think Ainge is desperate? Because he made a phonecall about Gasol? Just because it was leaked out that Ainge called doesn't mean he was the only one. I guarentee others placed offers, or at least talked, as well.

 

When a GM says anything for a player like Gasol,you get that feeling. But seriously are you telling me he doesn't need any more (better) players on this team right now? Are you telling me he should be fine with what he has now? Being desperate in this case is not a wrong thing, actually if he wasnt in the least bit interested in the idea of getting another player I would say somethings wrong.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Nov 26 2006, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When a GM says anything for a player like Gasol,you get that feeling. But seriously are you telling me he doesn't need any more (better) players on this team right now? Are you telling me he should be fine with what he has now? Being desperate in this case is not a wrong thing, actually if he wasnt in the least bit interested in the idea of getting another player I would say somethings wrong.</div>
Honestly, we havn't been sure about Ainge's "direction" or "plan" the whole time he's been here, so I don't even know what he wants to do. He says he wants to go very young.. yet he has Pierce, Wally, Ratliff. Then he's trying to trade for veterans (he has placed calls about Iverson, Marion, KG, Lewis, and now Gasol). Nobody knows what's going to happen. We will never know what Ainge is thinking.

I wish he would have just f*cking chosen what he wanted to do this past summer (either go full youth movement or get vets to help Pierce). He's done neither one of them, nobody knows what really is going on. Ainge is trying to go very young and still be a playoff team: not going to happen!!!

 

Sounds like the Raptors old GM, Rob Babcock, to tell you the truth, the last 4 letters of his name explain his personality much to my liking. But CB32, no team has a full youth movement, in laymens terms, youth + no veterans = chaos, a team needs leadership. To say by keeping Pierce, Wally, Ratliff, is wrong, sounds abit crazy. Paul doesn't lead the team himself, he also needs experience to help the other young 'ins develop. Furthermore, he is in kind of the wrong spot, he doesn't have decent enough value on this team to trade a player for another equal or decent role player. Which is his problem. He didnt have a decent draft, and cant get a good lottery because he is not a poor team, but not a playoff one eithier, hes one of those in between (Milwaukee, Philli..etc.) Hes best catch is in the FA market, which he was too late to get too anyways

 

And guess where he was this weekend CelticBalla? While his team was getting absolutely embarressed on their homecourt in front of a packed house at home....Old Danny boy was on a SCOUTING TRIP! Fire Doc? Fire Ainge!

 

You guys are overreacting. So you have a 5-8 record? Your tied for 8th in the East? Fire Doc! Fire Ainge, sounds right to me.

 

what? how are we overreacting? Our coach doesn't know what the hell he's doing and our GM is in la-la land. All he cares about is drafting young guys. The one veteran he does sign is BRIAN SCALABRINE . We have 10 guys on the roster that have been in the league under three years and our GM is out scouting more young talent while our team is getting absolutely destroyed on our home court and the fans are chanting "Fire Doc". He has made no progress since he was the GM of our team. The one year we made the playoffs with Ainge was because we got some veterans and had some stability with our lineups.

 

You have no idea whether the coach knows what he is doing or not. The fans dont eithier. Ainge is drafting young guys to develop into role players to fit in the team. He is trying to build around Pierce, in any rebuliding case, you must go through this stage, no questions asked.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Nov 26 2006, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You have no idea whether the coach knows what he is doing or not. The fans dont eithier. Ainge is drafting young guys to develop into role players to fit in the team. He is trying to build around Pierce, in any rebuliding case, you must go through this stage, no questions asked.</div>
First of all, how do we NOT know if Doc knows what he's doing or not?!!? Explain this RF: Pierce guarding Eddy Curry. The starters playing 10:30 straight in the 3rd, therefore dying down in the 4th. Gerald Green shooting 3-3 (mid-range) in 5 minutes, gets hot, doesn't play another second in the game. Brian Scalabrine 15 minutes, Leon Powe - 0. I mean these are just some minor examples. You have no idea how stupid his in-game decisions are.

But here's the thing about this rebuilding, RaptorsFan: We have been doing this the whole time Ainge has been here.

- Goes from young
- To getting Payton, Davis... trading for Walker. We had a veteran team.
- Blows that up the next year, now we have an even younger team with no established young players.

If you are going to build around Pierce, PUT SOMETHING AROUND HIM. All our young players are unproven. Even Delonte, who was incredible last year, has been horrible this year. Our 2nd option (Wally) is an ideal 3rd option.

Ainge has been trying to do 2 things at once: build around Pierce with a youth movement, and be a playoff team. That's not going to happen. This summer was supposed to be a big one, all he did was add a rookie PG, a 21 year old PG, an aging and injury prone center. This past summer, Ainge should have either traded Pierce and actually gotten a good young player to build a youth movement around, or get vets. We've done neither, and we have a 29 year old superstar that is dying to win mixed with like 9 players age 24 or younger.

Ainge is approaching his 4th year as the Celtics Directior of Basketball Operations, and we are at the same stage as we were before.

 

Why would Pau want to be traded if the grizzlies were 3-8 BECAUSE he was out, thats even more of a reason he would want to stay, he knows he thes main guy and will always be the main guy.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Nov 27 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, how do we NOT know if Doc knows what he's doing or not?!!? Explain this RF: Pierce guarding Eddy Curry. The starters playing 10:30 straight in the 3rd, therefore dying down in the 4th. Gerald Green shooting 3-3 (mid-range) in 5 minutes, gets hot, doesn't play another second in the game. Brian Scalabrine 15 minutes, Leon Powe - 0. I mean these are just some minor examples. You have no idea how stupid his in-game decisions are.But here's the thing about this rebuilding, RaptorsFan: We have been doing this the whole time Ainge has been here.- Goes from young- To getting Payton, Davis... trading for Walker. We had a veteran team.- Blows that up the next year, now we have an even younger team with no established young players.If you are going to build around Pierce, PUT SOMETHING AROUND HIM. All our young players are unproven. Even Delonte, who was incredible last year, has been horrible this year. Our 2nd option (Wally) is an ideal 3rd option.Ainge has been trying to do 2 things at once: build around Pierce with a youth movement, and be a playoff team. That's not going to happen. This summer was supposed to be a big one, all he did was add a rookie PG, a 21 year old PG, an aging and injury prone center. This past summer, Ainge should have either traded Pierce and actually gotten a good young player to build a youth movement around, or get vets. We've done neither, and we have a 29 year old superstar that is dying to win mixed with like 9 players age 24 or younger.Ainge is approaching his 4th year as the Celtics Directior of Basketball Operations, and we are at the same stage as we were before.</div>CB32 thing is, Ainge might not know what he is doing, but do you guys know that you have the same record as the heat? Ainge did something to get those 5 wins, and true I agree, he does more negative than positive. Second, trading pierce is the stupidest move you can make. Paul Pierce is the last hope for this franchise, and trading him is gonna take them another 3-5 years to get where they are at now if they trade him. What bothers me is that, you guys are complaining over a not-so-bad record. What you think is a bad move, obviously Ainge thinks differant, now you tell me, who is educated at Basketball? Ainge, or the BBW Celtic Fans?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Why would Pau want to be traded if the grizzlies were 3-8 BECAUSE he was out, thats even more of a reason he would want to stay, he knows he thes main guy and will always be the main guy.</div>"yes he should stay because his team sucks, and he knows he is the leader there"austingriz why are you so defensive over Gasol? Gasol has the skill to be the main guy on a playoff team, why waste it on the Grizzlies? Why did Vince want out, because he wasnt going anywhere with T.O, you would do the same too.

 

wow, your a f*cking idiot. Vince Carter didnt have sh*t in your weakass Raptors, as for Gasol, when healthy he and the grizzlies are a playoff team.its like saying Shaq doesn't want to be with the Heat cause they suck while hes out....

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Nov 27 2006, 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Second, trading pierce is the stupidest move you can make. Paul Pierce is the last hope for this franchise, and trading him is gonna take them another 3-5 years to get where they are at now if they trade him. What bothers me is that, you guys are complaining over a not-so-bad record. What you think is a bad move, obviously Ainge thinks differant, now you tell me, who is educated at Basketball? Ainge, or the BBW Celtic Fans?</div>
I never said I wanted to trade Pierce, but when you think about it, Ainge needs to decide (trade for vets to win with Pierce, or trade Pierce and get a GOOD young player to build around). What's the point of keeping Pierce and have him "waste his prime years" with a young team like this? We will never win a championship if we keep this roster, and these young guys will never flourish on an offense run totally through Pierce and Wally, especially Gerald Green.

Ainge needs to grow some genitals and make a decision, he can't keep doing both. If he doesn't make a decision and take a risk, this team will be flooded with busts (because they can't all flourish here) and mediocrity.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>austingriz why are you so defensive over Gasol?</div>
Because he's a Grizzlies fan.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Nov 27 2006, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow, your a f*cking idiot. Vince Carter didnt have sh*t in your weakass Raptors, as for Gasol, when healthy he and the grizzlies are a playoff team.its like saying Shaq doesn't want to be with the Heat cause they suck while hes out....</div>Yeah and thats why he lead them to the Eastern SemiFinals. After he got injured like Gasol is now, he began producing less, and in turn so did the raptors, making him want out.austin if I were you, id watch my attitude, everything I say to you, you call me a f*cking idiot, just because you don't like me doesn't mean you have to be like that. Learn to post properly and not mock others for once will you?<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>QUOTEaustingriz why are you so defensive over Gasol?Because he's a Grizzlies fan.</div>no one attacked him.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Nov 27 2006, 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow, your a f*cking idiot. Vince Carter didnt have sh*t in your weakass Raptors, as for Gasol, when healthy he and the grizzlies are a playoff team.</div>
Really? He had a young star in Chris Bosh to pair up with, along with Morris Peterson (solid 3rd option).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>its like saying Shaq doesn't want to be with the Heat cause they suck while hes out....</div>
It's very different. Shaq is on the decline, and he's not "the man" in Miami. Dwyane Wade is. Miami has someone to fall back on. Gasol's situation is different - he's young with a long career ahead of him, and the player the team has to fall back on when he's out is Mike Miller. VERY VERY different.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Nov 26 2006, 11:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow, your a f*cking idiot. Vince Carter didnt have sh*t in your weakass Raptors, as for Gasol, when healthy he and the grizzlies are a playoff team.its like saying Shaq doesn't want to be with the Heat cause they suck while hes out....</div>you're way off. The Raptors WERE a playoff team a few years ago.yes, memphis is a playoff team, but they can't get out of the first round. what good is making the playoffs when you can't go anywhere with it?

 

Raptorsfan, I apologize for my comments. And Toronto as a team were on the decline and Carter sortve knew that Bosh was going to become a good player, meaning the the Raptors were likely to start over and go young, thats why he left IMO.And its really a different situation with Memphis. Jerry West has made this team so much better over the offseason. We got Rudy Gay who at the worst will turnout to be a good role player. We got a steal in Kyle Lowry and we got Stro back who does alot more than yall(including myself)give credit to. So I dont see why Pau would want to leave. I dont see him oging to Boston cause they would have to give us a ton of players or Paul Pierce(who according to the article is available for Gasol). And I dont see Ainge trading Pierce for a injured player, and the Griz dont have roster space for a bunch of other players. He has expresed that he wants to stay in Memphis and he loves playing for the Griz. He only said he wasnt going to be in a KG type of situation. He said if Memphis didnt make good moves(which we have, and we might be getting Maggette soon)then he would consider leaving. I just dont see it happening.And the comment about Shaq, what I meant was, its stupid for a player to want to be traded cause there team sucks ONLY because that certain player is injured. Shaq was just a example.