Kaman is so good it isn't even funny

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  1. BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94

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    Nope. The only forwards and big men to win have been:

    Bobby Jones - 82-83
    Kevin McHale (2) - 83-85
    Bill Walton - 85-86
    Roy Tarpley (WHO?!) - 87-88
    Eddie Johnson - 88-89
    Detlef Schrempf (2) - 90-92
    Cliff Robinson - 92-93
    Dell Curry - 93-94
    Anthony Mason - 94-95
    Toni Kukoc - 95-96
    Danny Manning - 97-98
    Rodney Rodgers (WHO?!) - 99-00
    Corliss Williamson - 01-02
    Antawn Jamison - 03-04
    Lamar Odom 10-11
     
  2. HomerLovesKoolAid

    HomerLovesKoolAid I have a well-known member.

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    He's got a lot of subtle head fakes, up-and-under down to a science, and can shoot with both hands. He's making defenders look pretty bad in the post.
     
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    yes.. He should but well I don't think he will because it's the Blazers...
    With everyone slurping on Crawford just don't think he'll get the recognition.
    Which is silly because right now through 11 games I can't think of another player coming off the bench impacting both ends of the floor like he is on any team.
    Maybe I haven't watched enough basketball this year.. which could be the case. But Kaman and his impact has been insane. I knew he'd add another dimension that Rolo doesn't bring but this much?
     
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    http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&StarterBench=Bench&CF=MIN*GE*15

    Bench players who play at least 15 minutes a game. I note however that some of the games played for certain players dont look right. But nonetheless these are encouraging stats:

    Kaman's OffRtg is 109.1 and DefRtg is 92.3 so his NetRtg is 16.8 which is one of the best in the league for a bench player. Also his PIE (Player Impact Estimate) 17.6 which is 4th in the league for bench players.

    Edit: I just realized that some players start sometimes and come off the bench in other games which is why the numbers looked off at first
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Kaman is averaging 20 points and 13 rebounds per 36.

    That is insane.
     
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    I would not give up too much talent for a unrestricted free agent. Green will almost undoubtedly opt out of his 9 mil a year contract at the end of the season. Would he resign with Portland to come off the bench? Could Portland pay him 10-11 mil along with the other starters who need to get paid this summer? Doubtful.
     
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    His footwork is something else.
     
  8. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    I absolutely love Kaman. I knew he had some of the best post moves of any big man in the game, but I didn't realize they were this good.

    He's highly motivated and happy. Let's keep him that way!
     
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    I think one of the unheralded keys to Kaman's success is the coach: he's not overplaying him, he's giving him touches, keeping him engaged. At 20 mpg, I wouldn't be surprised if he played all 82, which would absolutely be awesome.
     
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    Another key to his success is that he plays with Blake a lot; they know each other's moves and Blake sets him up real well. I hope that Damien can learn to work better with him also. By the way i am really impressed with Blake's defense. Despite his physical limitations i consider him much better defender than Lillard or McCollum. He is not as physical as Matthews but he stays with his guy a little better, anticipates better. And his focus is more consistent than Batum's, so i put him right up there with those guys.
     
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    I should stop questioning free agent signings in the summer, i was lukewarm to Kaman at the time. The way he acts on Twitter endeared him to me rather quickly though.
     
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    I love that Kaman heckles with a sense of humor in the locker room! He seems to make basketball fun again for some of these guys
     
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    I wonder if we'd acquired Lopez over the summer instead of Kaman, we'd be starting Kaman instead and marveling at what a fine addition Lopez has been to the bench.

    Not that I think Kaman is necessarily better, or a better fit with our starters. I just think it's interesting how the subject never even comes up, especially given his amazing production. The reason why centers never win 6THMOY is because if they are that good, they almost always start. Quality 7 footers are such a rarity.
     
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    27 minutes last night for Lopez
    21 minutes for Kaman. (7-10 10 rebounds)

    I can live with that ratio. (Give or take a minute or two)
     
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    Good thought here.

    I have a feeling this would not as work as well (in aggregate) if Kaman started and Rolo came off the bench. Kaman thrives on touches, which would be unavailable with the starters. And Rolo doesn't have the one on one moves that Kaman does to carry the offense for the bench unit.
     
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    The Kaman signing is the definition of buying low. I remember wanting him on our team back in the pre Lopez days when he was an all star. I remember one game with us vs the Clips where he was just unreal. I've been real down on him the last few years, like a lot of others. Goes to show you what a healthy body and good environment can do for someone.

    He is quickly becoming one of my favorite players and my biggest problem with this team is that I have to many favorite players.
     
  18. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yep, and we are so lucky to have two! Remember when Aldridge wanted a "real" center to bang down low against the other team's biggest player? Now he has two and has to be ecstatic.

    Rolo:
    27.6 mpg
    11.8 ppg
    7.1 rpg
    1.5 bpg
    .556 FG%
    PER = 19.5

    Kaman:
    19.5 mpg
    10.7 ppg
    6.9 rpg
    1.3 bpg
    .580 FG%
    PER = 21.2

    Total:
    47.1 mpg
    22.5 ppg
    14.0 rpg
    2.8 bpg
    .567 FG%
    PER = 20.2

    That's pretty damn good production out of the center position.

    Kaman is 7th in the league in FG%. Lopez is 14th.

    Lopez is 11th in the league in ORB%. Kaman is 7th in the league in DRB%

    Plus, neither player has the physical wear and tear of playing big minutes and with 12 fouls to give, we don't have to worry about either getting into foul trouble.

    According to 82games.com (for games played through 11/13), we're neck and neck with NOP for the best production in the league from the center position.

    NOP Center Position:
    OWN = 24.5
    OPP = 17.8
    NET = +6.8

    POR Center Position:
    OWN = 24.2
    OPP = 17.3
    NET = +6.9

    And the only reason NOP ranks so well is Davis slides to center about 30% of the time for them.

    Meanwhile...

    Spencer Hawes:
    17.2 mpg
    7.4 ppg
    4.2 rpg
    0.9 bpg
    .434 FG%
    PER = 13.8

    BNM
     
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    What's really opened doors for him though is having opposable thumbs.
     

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