you could've just said that. the way you're defending him it sounds like you do expect him to be a 20 point scorer. he could be a jeff hornacek, I could see that.
What BCB has said is absoultely correct. I saw JJ first hand at the ACC tournament. I know what he can do.The man is essentially a great shooter, with additional abilities that will allow him to get off a few extra shots than say, Kyle Korver. He is not going to drive past everyone. The thing is, so many of you guys think: Driving to the rim = Dribble for 3 seconds, crossover, under the legs, in the lane.That's not how it worksJJ will be able to get into the lane SOMETIMES because, as BCB so finely stated, he has an incredible knack for pump-faking, and using his first step and barely dribbling in the process.That's all JJ will ever do offensively. He's going to hit open shots, he's going to catch and shoot off screen, and once a game he might get a defender in the air and dribble into the lane. That's it. 10 - 16 PPG over his NBA career for 10 seasons. Done. Nothing more, hopefully nothing less.Defensively, you guys really need to stop arguing for argument's sake. When I saw JJ first hand 3 times last year, he was a very decent defender. When I saw him on TV last year 20 times, he was a very decent defender. Coach K, arguably the greatest College Basketball caoch in NBA history said that JJ was a hardworking defender who was as underrated as anyone.In the NBA, he will have much less defensive success, but he is still going to do as much if not slightly more than 90% of NBA wing-guards. Again, that doesn't mean that JJ is the next Ron Artest, NBA offense is just so good and NBA defense is jsut so bad that JJ should fare just fine.These two point are unarguable. If any of you people try to argue them, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'd bet my right arm most of you guys saying JJ can't defend and won't be able to score are saying that because you've only ever seen highlights, and you see JJ; a thin white player.Seriously, get over yourselves. JJ will do fine. Not great, probably not badly - but just fine. That's both offensively, and defensively.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Nov 28 2006, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What BCB has said is absoultely correct. I saw JJ first hand at the ACC tournament. I know what he can do.The man is essentially a great shooter, with additional abilities that will allow him to get off a few extra shots than say, Kyle Korver. He is not going to drive past everyone. The thing is, so many of you guys think: Driving to the rim = Dribble for 3 seconds, crossover, under the legs, in the lane.That's not how it worksJJ will be able to get into the lane SOMETIMES because, as BCB so finely stated, he has an incredible knack for pump-faking, and using his first step and barely dribbling in the process.That's all JJ will ever do offensively. He's going to hit open shots, he's going to catch and shoot off screen, and once a game he might get a defender in the air and dribble into the lane. That's it. 10 - 16 PPG over his NBA career for 10 seasons. Done. Nothing more, hopefully nothing less.Defensively, you guys really need to stop arguing for argument's sake. When I saw JJ first hand 3 times last year, he was a very decent defender. When I saw him on TV last year 20 times, he was a very decent defender. Coach K, arguably the greatest College Basketball caoch in NBA history said that JJ was a hardworking defender who was as underrated as anyone.In the NBA, he will have much less defensive success, but he is still going to do as much if not slightly more than 90% of NBA wing-guards. Again, that doesn't mean that JJ is the next Ron Artest, NBA offense is just so good and NBA defense is jsut so bad that JJ should fare just fine.These two point are unarguable. If any of you people try to argue them, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'd bet my right arm most of you guys saying JJ can't defend and won't be able to score are saying that because you've only ever seen highlights, and you see JJ; a thin white player.Seriously, get over yourselves. JJ will do fine. Not great, probably not badly - but just fine. That's both offensively, and defensively.</div>Someone here has some common sense. Great post. :rock:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 28 2006, 12:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Oh boy, more senseless J.J. Redick bashing. Nobody gets bashed more for his faults than J.J. Redick. You bring up J.J. Redick and it's always what he can't do and what his limitations are. He's just a white boy who can do nothing except shoot the basketball...he's the next Steve Kerr. Give me a damn break. Sure he got shutdown in one game in the NCAA tournament but what does that matter? In college he was the man, the guy who got the ball, in the NBA he won't be double teamed or given half the attention he got in college. He's the perfect role player. Instead of telling you all the stereotypical things that J.J. Redick can't do, I'll do the opposite and tell you what he can do. He's a legit 6'5" 195 pounds. Not an ounce of fat on him. He's always in perfect condition. He has an amazing jumpshot with a perfect and fast release. He can hit shots from 5 feet behind the three-point line and has a great mid-range game that he worked hard on in college. He's smart offensively and uses fakes well to get shots...he's quicker than people give him credit for...He played great defense his senior year and Coach K often commented on it. I watched Redick half a dozen times last year and he was a damn good/pesky defender...he might not have long arms and won't wrap you up but he's better than you think. People harp on him because he can't create his own shot, big freaking deal...look at the NBA rules, he will be effective because he can shoot the ball and with defensive rules will have an advantage. I miss him, the guy plays hard and with heart. I can't wait until he finds his place with the Magic.</div>I couldnt have said it better myself.I dont understand why everyone bashes Reddick and they say how he isnt an "NBA player". Who cares is what I have to say. If you look at what he did in college, that is enough for me to say that he is a NBA player. He has an amazing jumpshot, he works hard on both ends of the floor, and he really works hard to get himself open. I love what BCB said about him not going to be double teamed, because it is SO true. He is going to have tons of open looks once he starts playing regularly and getting back in to the grove. I think he has a bright NBA career ahead of him despite what others think.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (nykfan4life @ Nov 28 2006, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're not gonna excell in the nba as a lights out shooter. ray allen is a lights out shooter but he can take the ball to the basket. if you're one dimensional like reddick you're an easy person to guard. he's a great shooter but defenses are gonna catch up on that quickly and he's going to need to learn how to take it the hole.</div>Why dont you take a look at Kyle Korver. He is a similar player to JJ Reddick except guess what....he is a better defender and its hard to believe this...but a better shooter. Kyle Korver isnt that quick, but he has a quick release, works around screens very fast, and works hard to get open on offense. If you can do those things, you will be a good scorer. One person I would like to compare JJ Reddick to just a little bit is Richard Hamilton. I dont think their games are very similar but one thing I notice about both players is how hard they go off screens and how they read the situation PERFECTLY. They know the right times to fade, curl, and when just to come off the screen normal. They use this to perfection and it gets them open shots. I dont think having that quality makes a person very easy to defend what so ever...
yeah becasue we all know that when you guard someone good in college it's gonna be the exact same way in the nba who did he guard that was actually on anyone's level in the nba (and when I say level I don't mean just stars, I also mean the scrubs) <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Nov 28 2006, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Someone here has some common sense. Great post. :rock:</div>smh, you really do need to get over yourself, just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean they have more common sense then the person not agreeing with you....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (koopa @ Nov 28 2006, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah becasue we all know that when you guard someone good in college it's gonna be the exact same way in the nba who did he guard that was actually on anyone's level in the nba (and when I say level I don't mean just stars, I also mean the scrubs)</div> Defense is about effort. He gives a good effort. I'm not saying he will be an elite defender, it's just that people stereotype him as a bad defender when it's not true at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (koopa @ Nov 28 2006, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah becasue we all know that when you guard someone good in college it's gonna be the exact same way in the nba who did he guard that was actually on anyone's level in the nba (and when I say level I don't mean just stars, I also mean the scrubs)</div>He wasnt a bad defender in college, so why would he that bad of a defender in the pros? Todays good perimeter defenders like Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest probably didnt do that much better at defense in college than they do in the pros. Players adapt to their surroundings...
I know he can be a good player if he doesn't defend, but I never really saw anything out of him that would suggest that he'd be anything more then just a shooter.......lets see if those pump fakes will be good against actual good players in the nba.....lets see if his lack of good defense will be able to keep him on the court long.....that's why I don't like him....to me he's to much of a liability.....things could change though, I'm not saying he'll never improve, but that's just what I see
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (koopa @ Nov 28 2006, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know he can be a good player if he doesn't defend, but I never really saw anything out of him that would suggest that he'd be anything more then just a shooter.......lets see if those pump fakes will be good against actual good players in the nba.....lets see if his lack of good defense will be able to keep him on the court long.....that's why I don't like him....to me he's to much of a liability.....things could change though, I'm not saying he'll never improve, but that's just what I see</div> In all honesty, NBA perimeter players aren't allowed to play defense anyway...I doubt Redick will be a liability, he's 6'5" and quicker than he's given credit for and he tries hard. Look at what I've said, he's pretty much going to be a shooter who is effcient on offense and defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (koopa @ Nov 28 2006, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know he can be a good player if he doesn't defend, but I never really saw anything out of him that would suggest that he'd be anything more then just a shooter.......lets see if those pump fakes will be good against actual good players in the nba.....lets see if his lack of good defense will be able to keep him on the court long.....that's why I don't like him....to me he's to much of a liability.....things could change though, I'm not saying he'll never improve, but that's just what I see</div>Too much of a liability? You have GOT to be kidding me. The only time you have seen him play is in college where scored over 25 PPG. How is that anywhere near being a liability? Also, do you not understand the concept that you can be a good basketball player and not a good defender? There are TONS of players in the league that are awful defenders. If anything, there are better defenders in college because they work harder.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (koopa @ Nov 28 2006, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know he can be a good player if he doesn't defend, but I never really saw anything out of him that would suggest that he'd be anything more then just a shooter.......lets see if those pump fakes will be good against actual good players in the nba.....lets see if his lack of good defense will be able to keep him on the court long.....that's why I don't like him....to me he's to much of a liability.....things could change though, I'm not saying he'll never improve, but that's just what I see</div>When you are a good shooter, pump fakes always work, especially when you are going to be using them like he does. Howard starting to get better and better on offense is going to start drawing more and more double teams. When Howard does start drawing those double teams, the Magic are going to need someone to hit the open shots from him passing out. That is going to be Redick, so teams are going to have to run back to stop him. It is as that point when the defender moves back, that the pump fake works, anyone that has played basketball alot knows that and it happens to work alot in the NBA. He will move without the ball, and off of screens to get open and be able to shoot. Defensively, he will not be horrible, it's not like his fundamentals were bad. He got that butt down, that back straight and slid his feet as he and everyone else is taught to do. He was hardly ever caught flat footed, was on his toes most of the time. Fundamental defense does not die, and while he is a bit slow and little slow laterally, he will move his feet and try. He won't be a great defense, but he won't be a terrible defender, and he will not be a huge liability on the basketball court.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Nov 28 2006, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Too much of a liability? You have GOT to be kidding me. The only time you have seen him play is in college where scored over 25 PPG. How is that anywhere near being a liability? Also, do you not understand the concept that you can be a good basketball player and not a good defender? There are TONS of players in the league that are awful defenders. If anything, there are better defenders in college because they work harder.</div>again, college and the nba is not the same, he'll never avg close to that not even in a 3 game span, I say the most he avg. in a season is about 12 points........and did you not read my post good?? didn't I say there's a chance he can become a good player but I don't see it?? it's all opinions, you trying to force your stuff like it's facts and it's gonna happen and you are getting upset over it, maybe you need to take a time out and realize not everyone is gonna see it your way and realize that's it's only a message board, and putting stuff in caps isn't gonna get your point across any easier
Sure, college and the NBA are different places but how can you automatically asume that he is going to fail when all you have seen him do is succeed with greatness? It doesn't make any sense what so ever. I may be using opinions but you are basing your opinions on things that have no truth in their past what so ever. You are expecting somebody to fail when they have done nothing but succeed in teh past.... How am I getting upset over it? I am not upset what so ever....it is over a computer, so you really wouldnt know what so ever.And when I use all caps, it is to bring emphasis to that word...
<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">From all this, I'm only gathering one thing...Y'all definitely want to see him play, so I'm guessing everybody so far is missing J.J. Redick for 1 of 2 reasons.1. They want to prove their friends that dobut him wrong2. They want to prove themselves right as far as what they think about his game.I'm saying that all this should be sorted out by the end of the season. And if not, it'sprobably because he didn't enough playing time to render a verdict (Example: Darko Milicic in DET).</span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Nov 28 2006, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sure, college and the NBA are different places but how can you automatically asume that he is going to fail when all you have seen him do is succeed with greatness? It doesn't make any sense what so ever. I may be using opinions but you are basing your opinions on things that have no truth in their past what so ever. You are expecting somebody to fail when they have done nothing but succeed in teh past.... How am I getting upset over it? I am not upset what so ever....it is over a computer, so you really wouldnt know what so ever.And when I use all caps, it is to bring emphasis to that word...</div>I'm not allowed to make predictions on someones career or what??? that is just how I feel about him, just cause you were great in college doesn't always guarantee that you'll be great or good in the nba....imo I feel that he'll be one of those players that was crazy good in college that will barely get off the bench, that's just how I feel, nothing wrong with that.....usually on a forum, when somone post in caps it's translate in yelling, and that's why I figure you are getting upset cause I'm not agreeing with you.......offtopic: aren't you a spurs fan?? why do you have something to do with the lakers in your sig??? what has happened to team loyalty??? being a spurs fan and sporting anything that has to do with the lakers, mavs, suns, rockets, or any other threat is a sin lol
Jeff Hornacek was a 6'4" 190 pound white guy who played on the Jazz. He averaged 16 points with no real athletic ability. He was a lights out shooter who played fundamentally like Redick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (koopa @ Nov 28 2006, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not allowed to make predictions on someones career or what??? that is just how I feel about him, just cause you were great in college doesn't always guarantee that you'll be great or good in the nba....imo I feel that he'll be one of those players that was crazy good in college that will barely get off the bench, that's just how I feel, nothing wrong with that.....usually on a forum, when somone post in caps it's translate in yelling, and that's why I figure you are getting upset cause I'm not agreeing with you.......offtopic: aren't you a spurs fan?? why do you have something to do with the lakers in your sig??? what has happened to team loyalty??? being a spurs fan and sporting anything that has to do with the lakers, mavs, suns, rockets, or any other threat is a sin lol</div>im not saying that you arent allowed to make predictions, I just dont feel that they have much background supporting them. But hey, I guess they dont have to because you feel that way anyways. You say that you dont think he will ever get off the bench, but I honestly dont think Orlando would have wasted a #11 pick on him if that was what his role is going to be....just a little input.Yeah im a spurs fan, but I just got NBA League Pass this year and I am getting to watch other teams play alot more. The spurs are still my #1 team, but I just love the NBA as a whole, and Im really starting to love the Lakers as well. I know, kinda weird. Especially since I have hated them my entire life.
<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Do you think you could compare him to a Dale Ellis? Or is that too high? (I don;t know much about Dale, except that he was killer from beyond the arc).</span>
I think it's a decent comparison. He was a borderline starter and actually made an all-star game when he got minutes in Seattle. He was an absolute bomber from outside and was known for his perfect form. He like Redick was good coming off screens and getting good shots.
I don't miss him at all..maybe it's because im biased because I hate Duke..hes a good shotoer..I think he'll be like Kyle Korver a bit
