Chris Paul with a Triple Double, Hornets fall to Bulls

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RaptorFan#1 @ Dec 2 2006, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In any case, a players actual "play" is affected by any of the various reasons:1. He got better by himself2. Coach helped build him3. The System in which they are comfortable in.In this case, I think it was all three. Mike D'Antoni anaylzed the situation in Phoenix,and figured Nash would be better this way, and built on that. Nash obviously gained more confidence, and started to train more and eventually "blew up". Then his teammates, responded to Nash's play, and began feeding off him, and therefore liked the system and continued to play exceptional. Its a ripple effect, for every action theres an equal and opposite reaction, no way did Nash build himself, and no way did the Phoenix Suns build Nash up by themselves.</div>Mike D'antoni has been using this system for years, it's not like he waited for Steve Nash to start using the system. He used it all over europe, as well as he used it for the Nuggets in 1998, and was using this system in Phoenix when he took over a few games into the season the year before Steve Nash got to Phoenix. The fact is, that system got big because of Steve Nash, he is the one with the skills enough to run that system.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 2 2006, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody else could run the system as well because their just aren't that many great point guards in the league right now. I think Chris Paul would do just fine in that offense, probably not as well as Nash because Paul younger and less experienced, etc...I don't think your giving Paul Shirley and Yuta Tabuse enough credit for the 2004 turn-around season... I've been hearing that he looks better this season. I have not watched him yet this year...although in previous seasons he's been like you've described.</div>Steve Nash is a good point guard, and no matter what era you put him in, would be a good point guard. I know for a fact he would be able to play in the past, not only that, he would be the best shooting point guard as well as a very credible passer. I think he would be just as dangerous any time he ever played, especially with most of the teams in the past playing very up tempo basketball. It's not because of Youth and inexperience that Paul would not run that system as well. It's because he lacks a three point shot, that Steve Nash has, and that shot is what makes him dangerous in that system. He is getting better at shooting, but he will never be the shooter that Steve Nash is.

 

I wanna find a stat that tells how many games a team loses and wins when a player on their team gets a TD.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ Dec 2 2006, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At this point Kidd is better than Paul. Paul has yet to pass him, but it will happen soon.Right now here are MY point guard ratings1) Nash2) Kidd3) Paul4) Baron Davis (when healthy)5) Deron Williams (hasn't been long enough to pass Baron)</div>f*cking kidding me?Baron Davis and D-Will over Gilbert Arenas and Chauncey Billups?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinoy Balla @ Dec 4 2006, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>f*cking kidding me?Baron Davis and D-Will over Gilbert Arenas and Chauncey Billups?</div>Yes, it makes sense. There's something you need to know. You see, Pacers Fan Forever... is a dipshit.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Dec 3 2006, 01:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Steve Nash, Chauncey Billups, and Jason Kidd are clearly better at this point..</div>Jason Kidd is over the hill. Everyone is still humping his leg. he is on a losing team. He is getting by on past achievements if you ask me. I wish everyone would realise that he is over and clearly lucky to be a top 10 point these days. Sure he can pass, but he is slower than ever, his shooting is worse than ever his d has slipped a heap. He has 2 potential allstars on his team and they are in the east and yet they have a sh*tty losing record. Jkidd = over

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Dec 4 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd is over the hill. Everyone is still humping his leg. he is on a losing team. He is getting by on past achievements if you ask me. I wish everyone would realise that he is over and clearly lucky to be a top 10 point these days. Sure he can pass, but he is slower than ever, his shooting is worse than ever his d has slipped a heap. He has 2 potential allstars on his team and they are in the east and yet they have a sh*tty losing record. Jkidd = over</div>He isnt lucky what so ever to still be a top ten PG in the league. He is in the top 5 for sure. Although he is over the hill, he is an excellent rebounder, the BEST passer in the game. You can tell me all you want about Steve Nash being a great passer, but this man makes the smartest passes I have ever seen. If you watch him play, it is amazing how he lets plays develope and how he always finds the open man through the smallest places. Sometimes his passes baffle me. He doesn't score very much, but he doesn't try to....I think that he could score 17+ a game but there are enough scoreers on that team to give the ball to and he realizes that. His team is doing bad right now, but it wont last. Jefferson isnt near at full strength and Vince is playing inconsistent. They will turn their season around soon.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Dec 4 2006, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd is over the hill. Everyone is still humping his leg. he is on a losing team. He is getting by on past achievements if you ask me. I wish everyone would realise that he is over and clearly lucky to be a top 10 point these days. Sure he can pass, but he is slower than ever, his shooting is worse than ever his d has slipped a heap. He has 2 potential allstars on his team and they are in the east and yet they have a sh*tty losing record. Jkidd = over</div>I know all that should be true, but damn, 13-8-9 is a hella good stat line. I'd take that over a lot of players in the L.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Dec 4 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd is over the hill. Everyone is still humping his leg. he is on a losing team. He is getting by on past achievements if you ask me. I wish everyone would realise that he is over and clearly lucky to be a top 10 point these days. Sure he can pass, but he is slower than ever, his shooting is worse than ever his d has slipped a heap. He has 2 potential allstars on his team and they are in the east and yet they have a sh*tty losing record. Jkidd = over</div> Are you freaking kidding me? I have 12 points, 9 assists and 8 rebounds a game that claim overwise.

 

Is there an echo? But we got you there clangus, can't argue with those stats.

 

WINNING IS WHAT MATTERS. Yse his stats are off the hook, but what does it matter if you cant win? - See iverson and Garnett. Kobe >iverson -his team wins Duncan/nowitski >garnett -they win.Nash/Paul/ >old kidd - they are winningnow this is a bit of an exaggeration, but simplfying and exaggerating is sometimes the best way to make a point.

 

This is the first season in a while that the Nets have done poorly. He is playing nearly the same as last season when his team had a great record. Guess what that means? It isnt Jason Kidd that is the problem in NJ. Also, do you honeslty think that New Jersey will end up with a losing record this season? I highly doubt it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ballerman2112 @ Dec 5 2006, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, do you honeslty think that New Jersey will end up with a losing record this season? I highly doubt it.</div>Yes I do.I was just voicing my opinion. I think he is over the hill and not the player he once was. Stats are great, but not everything. I respect your guys opinions on this but I just dont agree. (I am full of crazy ideas -check my sig )

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clangus @ Dec 5 2006, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WINNING IS WHAT MATTERS. Yse his stats are off the hook, but what does it matter if you cant win? - See iverson and Garnett. Kobe >iverson -his team wins Duncan/nowitski >garnett -they win.Nash/Paul/ >old kidd - they are winningnow this is a bit of an exaggeration, but simplfying and exaggerating is sometimes the best way to make a point.</div> Just because his team isn't playing well at the moment doesn't mean he's over the hill. He's still an elite point guard, I don't care what the teams record is....thats not the issue. Kidd is still great.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 4 2006, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just because his team isn't playing well at the moment doesn't mean he's over the hill. He's still an elite point guard, I don't care what the teams record is....thats not the issue. Kidd is still great.</div>omfg bcb wtf is that thing in your avatar?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jason Kidd is over the hill. Everyone is still humping his leg. he is on a losing team. He is getting by on past achievements if you ask me. I wish everyone would realise that he is over and clearly lucky to be a top 10 point these days. Sure he can pass, but he is slower than ever, his shooting is worse than ever his d has slipped a heap. He has 2 potential allstars on his team and they are in the east and yet they have a sh*tty losing record. Jkidd = over</div>He's nearly averaging a triple double, Give me a break.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>WINNING IS WHAT MATTERS. Yse his stats are off the hook, but what does it matter if you cant win? - See iverson and Garnett. Kobe >iverson -his team wins Duncan/nowitski >garnett -they win.Nash/Paul/ >old kidd - they are winning</div>New Jersey won't be losing for long, They are going to go on a hot streak just like they do ever year.