Hubble takes the biggest image ever of Andromeda at 1.5 billion pixels

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    This is exactly what he said...

    Where does it say, "mythical beings creating us or space unicorns spewing seem of life on our planet?"

    So his statement is "Creationists are funny because they believe life only exists on earth". So with that same parameter, we can conclude that "It is equally laughable that Scientists belief life only exists on Earth".

    Cut to the fucking chase Denny and stop posting like a fucking pansy!
     
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    There are people on Oahu. If you don't have a boat to get there, how can you prove it? Your telescope can't see it because it's over the horizon.
     
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    Wow wtf dude!!! Hahaha.

    This is easy... There is physical evidence "right now" that there are people in Oahu. So regardless if you can see them from where you are, you can refer to the empirical evidence of what's already been observed.

    The same applies for microbes, atoms or whatever the fuck you can't see with your own eyes
     
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    Scientists don't gelieve life exists only here on earth. That's a logic error on your part.

    If you want to prove TLong is wrong, prove all creationists believe life exists elsewhere.

    You can't, game over. I cut to the chase, your misstatements and denials to the contrary.
     
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    Bullshit! Because if you choose to go down that road, then philosophical arguments can be used. That means you can use logical reasoning to belief something that hasn't been observed, which is clearly the case right now.

    So if you say "a scientist believes there is life outside of earth, and hasn't observed that life, then they are basing that ideology on a philosophical reasoning"
     
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    And to go even further... thinking and empirical evidence are not compatible right? Science is what is observed or what can be tested repeatedly and observed by their peers. If you haven't observed life outside this universe, then how can you scientifically believe that there is life outside this universe?

    Science of the gaps
     
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    They see life here living in harsh conditions, consistent with conditions they observe throughout the universe.

    There is no philosophical bullshit, just a logical extension of fact, supported by lots of observed facts.

    If scientists didn't believe in life, intelligent life, elsewhere, ther would be no SETI program.
     
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    We can detect the signals of creation itself (big bang), but we can not detect the signals of another creature.
    umm, not many logical deductions to make with these facts. Then of course, the lack of attention we receive from the vast hoard of potential other life,
    supports the reason for our detection failure.
     
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    Wrong again... That is a theory that has not been credited... Meaning, its a good starting point, but we have no real evidence to date to support believing life exists outside the planet Earth. This is about as real as the multiverse theory. It could be as logical as you want to make it, but so far, the big bang theory is the one that stuck.

    So a scientist that doesn't believe that there is life outside this planet is actually the most "logical" thinker in this argument. They will only "believe" what they see and can observe. Until we discover life outside this planet will be the day when that thinking is laughable. Much like the "flat earth believers" of today.
     
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    TLong is right.

    http://creationwiki.org/Extraterrestrial_life

    A careful read of the Bible does not allow for the existence of any race other than man. Indeed, the presence of such a race would give the lie to the claim of Jesus Christ that He came to take away the sin of the world.[18], and that He died once and only once to bring this about. The only Kingdom that is not of this earth is the Kingdom of Heaven[19][20]--and that Kingdom is also not of this universe, or "cosmos".


    Game over!
     
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    Scientists' beliefs are founded in fact and reason. If new facts are found that invalidate their belief, they change their belief accordingly.

    What scientists believe and know as Truth are two very different ideas. You keep mixing them up trying to "prove" something.
     
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    Wow, you are seriously posting like a "blockhead".

    The question is "Is it really laughable to believe that our planet is the only known life in this universe?"

    http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/space/solar-system/life-beyond-earth/

    We all have our suppositions, our scenarios. The late astronomer Carl Sagan estimated that there are a million technological civilizations in our galaxy alone. His more conservative colleague Frank Drake offers the number 10,000. John Oro, a pioneering comet researcher, calculates that the Milky Way is sprinkled with a hundred civilizations. And finally there are skeptics like Ben Zuckerman, an astronomer at UCLA, who thinks we may as well be alone in this galaxy if not in the universe.

    All the estimates are highly speculative. The fact is that there is no conclusive evidence of any life beyond Earth. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, as various pundits have wisely noted. But still we don't have any solid knowledge about a single alien microbe, a solitary spore, much less the hubcap from a passing alien starship.
     
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    There you go again. "The question is..." (Some misquoted version of what TLong actually wrote.
     
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    Read it, mags. You mixed the two again.
     
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    Exactly! He made a statement!!!! LMAO!

    He said "It is laughable that a group actually believes our planet is the only place for life in the entire universe"

    It's okay Denny... You can take your ball. My job is done here.
     
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    Just grab your ball Denny and fight another day...
     
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    He didn't say that. You really should quote him instead of putting different words in his mouth.

    He wrote:

    And Creationists think life only exists on Earth. LOL.

    CREATIONwiki backs him up. Beyond a doubt.
     
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    Yep... He said the group is laughable because they believe life only exists on earth. So it would be equally laughable for a scientist to think life only exists on earth. It doesn't matter why they believe it. The statement is believing it is laughable. He just put in "Creationists" to generalize an entire group he's against. The funny thing is he was unaware that scientists share this same belief.

    Take your ball Denny... It's going flat
     
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    Scientists are men and women of all different opinions. There is not an official opinion on anything until the opinion becomes proven fact. Until then it is helte-skelter depending on funds available.

    Right now many funds are available to find global warming effects and postulates.
     

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