Merged: Rudy For Wilson Chandler?

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  1. Masbee

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    I have posted several times now who I think the (non-injury) heavy rotation guys will be this upcomming season, and it is close to several other posters. As you point out, more move are a non-issue. The roster is fine as is. Always look to improve, but there are no items on the emergency roster to-do list.

    Starters: Miller, Roy, Batum, LA, Oden
    Short Bench: Bayless, Matthews, Camby
    Regular minutes: Cunningham, Pryz
    Everybody else: injury backup and mop-up only. They are either rookies, 2nd rounders or guys who have demanded trades, and can sit on the bench all year long without affecting the team. I just don't see the problem here. I continue to be baffled by those who post over and over and over about "problems" that I look but can't see.

    Purple dinosaurs. Do you see them?
     
  2. MickZagger

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    Re: Rudy For Wilson Chandler?

    I'd trade Rudy for Lamar Odom and Chris Webber during their prime any day of the week. Sometimes twice on Sundays.
     
  3. Pinwheel1

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    I should probably leave this for another thread, but since it is the only active topic that I find interesting........ I agree with that line-up but wonder how they they get offense from the second unit. I think the answer is.......don't have a complete second unit. Either LMA, BRoy, or Miller has to be on the floor at all times. I think to do this, Miller has to come out early so he can get back in early too. LMA will have to play the first 14 minutes. Bayless needs more minutes with Broy and not just with the second unit.
     
  4. BlazerCaravan

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    I don't know if this will come as a shock to you or not, but they basically did this last season: LMA played the first 12-14 minutes, and one or the other of them (LMA or Roy) was always on the court (when possible barring injury). The "second unit" is a myth anyway; a good 9-man rotation means some starter is always in the game.
     
  5. jlprk

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    C
    Camby
    Oden
    Przybilla

    F
    Aldridge
    Batum
    Cunningham
    Pendergraph
    Babbitt
    OPEN

    G
    Roy
    Miller
    Matthews
    Bayless
    Fernandez
    Mills
    Williams, Elliott
    Johnson, Armon

    Gone:
    Howard
    Diener
    2 guards above (1 if you pretend 1 is a forward all season)

    The bottom 5 are there to make practice and scrimmages more effective. Roster imbalance makes coaching those events harder (e.g. to install an offense, etc.). Obviously, we don't HAVE to have 6 guards, but normally a Coach would LIKE to. That's why teams almost always change rosters to balance them by position. Every team has players able to play out of position; that doesn't stop many from doing this.

    If we go with 5 forwards and 7 guards, we'll be posting all season about our handicap, especially when one is injured. After every game, it'll be discussed--how did McMillan handle the problem tonight? Is Cho looking to pick up a D-Leaguer? Here's a proposed trade to fix it...etc.

    Back to the original point: Having so many guards can be construed as a weakness just as much as a strength in our trading position for Rudy, since other teams know the surplus makes us want to trade him more.
     
  6. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    I didn't say we have 8 guards who will get time. I said we have 8 guards. Just for that, I'm adding back Diener, so now we have NINE.
     
  7. Ed O

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    There's simply no reason to hold a roster spot open for a hypothetical sixth forward.

    Ed O.
     
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    good job avoiding points made about Roy logging heavy minutes at SF throughout his career (excelling while there) and Matthews (who is bigger then Roy) being expected to log at least half of his minutes there as well. Addressing that would have let the air out of your whole point.

    there is no issue with the roster, there is only the problem of few subjects to legitimately bitch about

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  9. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Good job not seeing this.

    "This" referred to teams balancing their rosters through trades, pickups, etc. Good job bitching about my quite constructive response to your "math misunderstanding."
     
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    playing out of position... yawn. You're really doubling down on something so stupid?

    Brandon Roy's PER at SF has been well over 20... it's actually been higher then his PER at SG. According to the link I just gave he played there 44% of his overall minutes last season. Matthews was signed to be the primary backup SF. He played a lot of it last year so the team didn't just base their offer on some wild stab in the dark.

    I'm quite happy with the roster as is, but then I'm not hung up on labels as much as I am on results... that and I don't have a need to complain regardless of the situation. Your overall point that the team is in some desperate/need to make a trade now state, seems to fit your view of a team at all times.

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  11. jlprk

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    My, my, what an hysterical reaction to my simple speculation

    restated as

     
  12. STOMP

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    I "yawned" at your ridiculous speculation. Restating the team's "need" to make a balancing trade stepped you further out on that ridiculous limb so I took the time to give you a link illustrating why you're off in :NOTMARIS: land. Here's a tidbit I left out, they call it the swing position for a reason

    so now I'm "hysterical" for taking the time to refute your nonsense? Whatever dude...

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    Rudy Fernandez was damn near untouchable once.
     
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    Rudy was really good before his injury by Ariza. Great stroke from 3, above average ball handling and passing gambled a bit to much on D. There was a reason he was coveted and it wasnt the wrong reason until he was taken out by ariza.
     
  16. BlazerWookee

    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    No we didn't. We dodged a bullet. Chandler was a dirtbag then, he's a dirtbag now.
     
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    Is there any players besides our own that you DO like? Lol
     
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    Rudy's problem was his attitude, not his injury. He bitched and bitched about not starting and then when we finally started him against Phoenix in the playoffs, he was MIA. Not bad because he was hurt bad. Bad because he was practically doing it on purpose bad.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Maybe I missed something... how is he a dirt bag?
     
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    I like Stomp. Looks like it was getting too argumentative up there.

    I just checked. He's been posting on the football boards lately.
     

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