OT ...lol...now the Pats supposed used "deflated balls"?

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    Sure, the NFL investigating one of their heralded teams breaking rules during a championship game is a non story.
     
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    I think there's absolutely a story here. Let's be frank, no one was predicting 45-7 in this game. Yes, the balls being doctored didn't change the outcome of the game, but the fact that the Patriots did it means they thought it could.

    I know I'm in the vast minority on this (especially after listening to Golic this morning), but the spread for this game was, iirc, less than 7. If you don't think that deflating balls in a pass-heavy offense in cold weather could potentially impact a play or two in the AFC championship game, that's fine...but obviously the Patriots thought it could, or else they wouldn't have broken the rules.
     
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    Not trying to sweep anything anywhere Bern, I mean if they find reason to go after the Patroits have at it. But you just know that even if they find that they intentionally cheated (AGAIN) the worse that's going to happen is a fine & perhaps a loss of draft picks. IMO if found guilty they should fire BelliDICK.
     
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    Whatever the league rules dictate. I agree that the game won't be (shouldn't be) replayed, and that the better representative of the AFC is going to the Super B-- sorry, Pro Football Championship Game-- and that if draft picks and fines are what the rules dictate, that's what it should be. Nothing overboard.
     
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    ..."sweeping what under the rug"?...WTF?
     
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    This is sweeping the story of a cheating team caught red handed under a rug. It's no conspiracy theory. The final score doesn't matter.
     
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    More sweeping. It's not just some BS story and it's not sour grapes. It's cheating and how could we know how long they've been cheating like this. We don't, and you know what? They DON'T get any benefit of the doubt.
     
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    ...uhh, all of those comments were made before any of us knew the facts for sure...and that includes you too.
     
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    The punishment will be a fine and maybe the loss of a draft pick, as is dictated by the rules. Won't be much of a punishment, but what is more important is that this darling of a franchise with a tainted past continues to be tainted, regardless of how much the fanboys deny it. Patriots*

    Honestly, in such a clouded NFL season it would be fitting that the Patriots win it all.
     
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    ...and before the investigation people were giving them the benefit of the doubt and laughing this away. I sure wasn't given their track record.
     
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    ...uhhh, see the previous reply. No one is sweeping anything...not sure why you're doing this, bern.

    ...ahhh, I see...guilty until proven innocent. But if it makes you feel better to pound your chest about this, fine.

    ...cheating is cheating, but if under inflated balls gave them that much of an advantage, it kinda makes you wonder how they ever lost a game.
     
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    What's worse, me suspecting that a previous cheater was cheating again or laughing it off ala Brady? I'm not pounding my chest but I found it ridiculous that so many were willing to call it a non-story when if there was any truth to it at all it is, in fact, a pretty big story.

    I don't care what your take with losing games is, cheating is cheating and the Patriots* are proven cheater (for a second time!!!!!!).

    Why call for integrity in one sport but then belittle cheating here because of your perceived level of it in this case? It's cheating plain and simple, and they're a repeat offender.
     
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    ...one more time bern, speaking only for myself, my comments were made BEFORE any of us knew the facts.
     
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    Good. So, now that the assumed innocence is over and they've been proven to have had 11 of 12 under inflated balls we ALL know that they cheated. Best thing that could happen in my eyes is that the Pats* win the game, further exposing the NFL as a game with little integrity.
     
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    i would bet that most teams do exactly this, or over inflate them to their QBs specifications

    non story for me, it just doesnt matter
     
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    Sorry I don't see how an under-inflated ball could be any more of an advantage than an over inflated ball. IMO, it really doesn't matter.

    You work with what you've been given. An under inflated ball in all honestly will only give a kicker fits when trying to connect with the long FG.

    Otherwise someone edumucate me...!
     
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    ...^^^ I suppose it depends on the individual QB's preference...some QBs like a softer ball, some prefer a harder one. Brad Johnson even paid $7500 to scuff up all 100 Super Bowl balls before his game vs the Raiders in SB 37.
     
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    ah I did not know about Johnson paying to scuff up balls, sounds fair IMO. Those pigskins are slippery as snot...!
     
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    If the same ball was used by both teams it's a different story, but each offense uses their own ball. If you can't understand the benefit of an under inflated ball (now reported at 16% less than required by the NFL) in wet weather then I'm going to let that one go. As for the kickers, that would explain the 12th fully inflated ball.

    I don't understand why the NFL wouldn't fully control the balls that come in. The team should have no hand in the balls being played. Now their darlings are exposed (further) as the cheaters they are and the sport comes out with egg on its face.
     
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    ...actually from what I read, there are 6 balls in each game designated for kicking only.
     
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